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regshoe ([personal profile] regshoe) wrote2022-01-08 06:17 pm

Flight of the Heron read-along: Part V chapters 3-4

But till my last moments my words are the same: there'll never be peace until Jamie comes hame...

The penultimate week of the read-along, and in these chapters we are still very Jacobite.

Next week we will, sadly, read Part V Chapter 5 and the Epilogue.
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[personal profile] tgarnsl 2022-01-09 06:42 am (UTC)(link)
Life has rather overtaken me these past few weeks, so I have not been able to keep up with the readalong as I would have liked. I'll try to put down a few thoughts, although I'm sure what I have to say has been said better by others elsewhere.

Part IV, Chapter V:
- With regards to Ewen's distrust of the Earl of Loudoun, I wonder how much of it is ancient clan animosity (fwiw, the Camerons were no angels and were noted as cattle thieves) and how much of it is remembrance of more recent events involving the Campbells, such as the 1692 Glen Coe massacre, which saw Scottish government forces, which was led by a Campbell and involved members of the clan, murder a number of Glen Coe MacDonalds, allegedly for failing to swear allegiance to William and Mary. Apparently, during the Uprising Prince Charles invoked the memory of the massacre by publishing in a newspaper contemporary documents concerning the affair.
- Captain Greening — I know [personal profile] hyarrowen made mention of it, but I also do wonder if Greening was based on any officers Broster knew during the war. I have friends in the army, and I have it on good authority that army captains are often the biggest a-holes around, at least in modern militaries. It is often a dead-end job, and those who make captain often never rise above that rank, leading to a dangerous combination of resentment and over-confidence in ability. I would imagine that it was much the same in the 18th century — someone like Greening may have been able to attain the rank of captain, but due to poverty or a lack of patronage would not have attained higher. It would certainly give him a motivation for obtaining valuable information from Ewen: being the man responsible for the capture of Lochiel would likely gain the attention of his superiors, and might help him secure a promotion.
- Ewen crying on finding out that Lochiel escaped is such a poignant moment. I do wonder how much his tears are for Lochiel, and how much they are for everything he has himself endured. I wouldn't be surprised if even he himself doesn't know where that line lies.

Chapter VI:
- Keith is back to being complicit in war crimes, and generally being a bit of Byronic hero (although there's an argument to be made that he is somewhat of a deconstruction). I find it very interesting how he distances the man he is as a soldier from the man he is with Ewen: I think there's a strong argument to be made that at some point during his childhood, Keith tried to mould himself into someone he was not, someone who his mother and others could love, perhaps, which eventually became Windham the soldier instead of Keith the man. I feel that we get a hint of this in the line “[...]Lord Orkney, who, when Keith was a mere boy, had promised the pair of colours in the Royal Scots which had saved his mother so much trouble and expense — and had deprived him of any choice in the matter of regiment." Sure, he was denied a choice with regards to what regiment he joined, but to me there is also the subtle implication that he was denied a choice in what path he took in life, both by the expectations of his family, as well as presumably financial pressures. The Wi/yndham family historically were landowners in Somerset and Norfolk, but Keith's father being a military man implies to me that he was a second or third son, if not an outright distant relation, and therefore not in line for inheriting land. The fact that Keith makes no mention of owning an ancestral home, or of owning any land at all, would support this theory. While he evidently has money (the guineas he leaves for Ewen in exchange for the stolen clothes amount to about £500 today) it would seem that he isn't extremely wealthy either, given that he is 30 or 31 when he attains the rank of major, something that would have likely occurred earlier had he been a man of significant means.
- With regards to Keith the man, however, I find it interesting how Broster seems to use language to differentiate between the two sides of him: “The shelf has an uncommonly sobering effect upon a hot-tempered and ambitious man, and it did not require two months of it to bring reflection to Major Windham. [...] The first fruit of this new prudence had been Keith’s abstention, not only from writing to Ewen Cameron, but even from sending him a direct message.” I would be interested in exploring further how Broster uses names as signifiers of something else going on; I certainly feel for Keith that the use of 'Captain/Major Windham' is significant, whether from his own POV or that of others'. Gur zbfg cbvtanag hfr vf, bs pbhefr, uvf svany zbzragf nyvir, jurer Rjra, qrfcvgr pnyyvat uvz 'Jvaqunz', guvaxf bs uvz nf 'Xrvgu'.
- On an unrelated note, Keith's ability to single out any attractive man, such as Captain Ferrers, in his immediate vicinity amuses me greatly.
- With that in mind, however, his complete inability to understand his attraction to Ewen is fascinating. He is willing to sacrifice a tremendous amount for Ewen, yet he cannot understand why it is he is doing so. The interaction between Keith and Cumberland is perhaps one of my favourite moments of the whole series, and I desperately would like to see it in a (good) modern adaptation where we could have the non-bowlderised invectives. “...After that the storm was loosed on Keith, and a flood of most unprincely invective it was. The names he was called, however, passed him by without really wounding him much. They were nothing compared to those he would have called himself had he sold Ardroy’s life as the price of his own advancement.” Oh Keith, you numpty. That's love.

...this post has gotten rather long. I'll post this, and continue in another comment.
Edited 2022-01-09 06:44 (UTC)
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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-09 07:00 am (UTC)(link)
I've seen the rank of captain described as "the cad's rank." In connection with James Hewitt, I think.

Keith's ability to single out any attractive man, such as Captain Ferrers, in his immediate vicinity amuses me greatly.

Oh, lol, I hadn't thought of that!
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[personal profile] tgarnsl 2022-01-09 07:44 am (UTC)(link)
"The cad's rank" just about sums it up, especially in regards to the British Army of the 18th century. I watched the 1964 film about Culloden the other day and was amused by the absolutely scathing description of 18th century British Army officers as belonging to "a fraternity where the least pretension to learning, to piety, or to common morals would endanger the owner to be cashiered." All this to say — while we know that Keith is not unexceptional for his good turns towards his enemy, whether historically or within the novel, he is nonetheless one of a select few.

With regards to Captain Ferrers, I find Keith's appreciation of the captain's good looks amusing mostly because it makes reading Keith as straight incredibly difficult. To wit, I don't know if he describes Alison in such glowing terms as he does Captain Ferrers, or Ewen.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-09 11:54 am (UTC)(link)
Re: the description of British Army officers, I think that definitely agrees with Keith's thoughts here: That model young man—he could not be more than five- or six-and-twenty—reading the Church service every Sunday to his household! He thought of the young men of his acquaintance in the army or in the fashionable world of London, the careless, loose-living subalterns, the young beaux of White’s. Ye gods, what ribald laughter would have gone up at the tale!... Yes, but not one of those potential mockers could have beaten Ardroy in stature or looks or at swordplay.

And yes, good point about Ferrers ("elegant" and "exquisite"). To me it's pretty much impossible to read Keith as straight, but I do see him as being attracted to women as well. Here are his thoughts about Alison: Who was this pretty Miss Grant with the blue fillet in her dark hair—a kinswoman? If she was the future mistress of the house, young Cameron had good taste. So, to be just, had the lady. Heh. Then there's Lydia, whom he apparently cared about enough to be hurt at her betrayal.
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[personal profile] tgarnsl 2022-01-09 08:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, that's an excellent quote to show in parallel. I like how even for all his cynicism, Keith can't help but admire Ewen!

And yes, agreed with regards to reading Keith. I rather belligerently read almost every character I come across as bisexual until proven otherwise, which is why it was pleasant surprise to see Keith taking note of the attractive qualities of both men and women. While of course there's the argument to be made that it's partly to do with the omniscient narrator, I find that explanation less entertaining than Keith simply having an eye for attractive persons in his immediate area.
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-09 08:51 pm (UTC)(link)
So, to be just, had the lady, just SCREAMS Keith-pov, though, at least to me. Having read the second novel, there's an argument to be made that at least some of the he's so TALL drooling that Keith does in Part 1 is actually just the omniscient narrator pointing out yet again that Ewen is tall and comely -- but that whole little passage deducing who Alison Grant is, then making appreciative noises about both halves of the couple, I have a hard time reading as anybody but Keith.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-09 12:07 pm (UTC)(link)
I would be interested in exploring further how Broster uses names as signifiers of something else going on; I certainly feel for Keith that the use of 'Captain/Major Windham' is significant, whether from his own POV or that of others'.

[personal profile] regshoe did a nice analysis of that here!

Good notes on Captain Greening.
Edited 2022-01-09 12:07 (UTC)
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[personal profile] tgarnsl 2022-01-09 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, thank you for linking me to that!
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-09 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
And all this is very interesting in view of my never-quite-managed idea of convincingly writing a story where Keith actually gives up his military/Hanoverian allegience—hmm, thoughts

I will be writing that, actually! : D But in the context of my Keith/Ewen/Alison longfic, which I know isn't your jam. But I'd love to read your take on it, as well.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-09 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
It is going well! I'm at 20K. Tell me if you want occasional outtakes of scenes that I think you might enjoy, like I did with the other fic--OTOH it might not be satisfying to just get little bits of it, so I fully understand if that's not something you want.

I hope you do eventually write your take on it, as well! : )
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-09 08:55 pm (UTC)(link)
my never-quite-managed idea of convincingly writing a story where Keith actually gives up his military/Hanoverian allegience

At the risk of telling tales out of school, [personal profile] tgarnsl has a wip that meets that description, too. It's a premise with a lot of potential, and I look forward to any and all takes on it.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-09 10:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Very cool! The more, the merrier. : )
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-09 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Keith/Ferrers for [community profile] chocolateboxcomm: that was me, nom'd at [personal profile] tgarnsl's suggestion. I think I'm the only one who nom'd anything anything for chocolate box, although I ended up requesting a smaller subset than I nom'd. But I did see in the sign-ups summary that two people offered Jacobite Trilogy! So there's a chance we'll get a new piece of fic or art out of it!