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regshoe ([personal profile] regshoe) wrote2022-01-15 05:50 pm

Flight of the Heron read-along: Part V chapter 5 and Epilogue

Better loved ye cannae be...

The final chapter.

I'm planning to do a sort of wrap-up post in a couple of days' time for any last thoughts, and to recommend some Flight of the Heron fic and some other books that may be of interest. I will say goodbye and thank you properly then!
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-15 07:01 pm (UTC)(link)
It is a stunner of a chapter, from the beautifully scenic opening, to beautifully tragic ending. And I am exceedingly grateful (and on my first read, frankly stunned), that we were permitted such overtly romantic gestures between them: Keith carrying a lock of Ewen's hair over his heart, and the exchange of the ring.

A question I had: why is Keith so convinced that Ewen is alive and skulking near Ardroy? Didn't his guard officially put it about that Ewen is dead? That they found his body in the river? We know Archie wasn't convinced -- he came to Ardroy to confirm it for himself -- but apparently Ewen's guard did not feel moved to do the same due diligence themselves. So how did Keith hit upon his conviction that Ewen is alive and well, happily home at Ardroy?

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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-15 09:12 pm (UTC)(link)
We're half in the Otherworld, Paradise, wherever, by the descriptions we get here. The ghostly bark, the fantastical peaks of Rum, and Keith's own thoughts of where he's been when Ewen lifts him. I gives a kind of ongoing sense of where he's going to be in a few minutes.

I think part of the reason for this is the date of publication of the book. Everyone reading it would have experienced WW1 in some form, and the 'flu pandemic. There had to be some kind of surcease. It seems to have worked, going by the publication history. t was a popular book. I don't know what the zeitgeist in the Uk was regarding religion; I think WW1 was a watershed in that respect, but maybe harking back to, and quoting, religious figures of the past was a conscious choice. She worked in Oxford after all, and would probably have seen reminders of the Oxford Martyrs every day.

The lightness of the Epilogue is therefore something that's necessary to counteract all the tragedy, imo. Like the jig at the end of a Shakespeare play, no matter how tragic. Or the last line in Lord of the Rings. Life goes on, even though Ewen didn't want it to while he looked down on Keith's body.

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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-15 07:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I agree that it's something of a cop-out, to spare Keith having to make that choice, and to likewise spare him having to live with its consequences. But I also think that narratively, it would have opened a whole bag of worms: the aftermath would have rattled on for ages, and would have opened the question of whether they would ever meet again after all the dust had settled, etc. These are obviously questions of great interest, to myself and others (*gestures at all the fix-it fic*), but it wouldn't have been in keeping with the prophecy trope she was writing, and it wouldn't have had the resonant finality of the ending she chose.

I feel very much the same way about Znvgynaq'f raq va Gur Qnex Zvyr -- to let him live out his confession and redemption would have been long and messy, very nearly another story unto itself. Instead, she chose to give it a decisive, tragic ending. Which is definitely a tool that exists if you want to make someone feel the full weight of their choices/dilemma, without the messiness of them actually having to live with said choices or dilemma.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2022-01-16 02:38 am (UTC)(link)
I think the difficulty with having Keith make that decision in Ewen's favor is that Keith and Ewen are both so invested in the ethos of "I could not love thee, dear, so well, loved I not honor more." If Keith chose Ewen over honor/duty, Ewen would likely think less of him: duty and honor are supposed to come before family, love, romance, everything. And Keith too I think would have a hard time justifying such an action to himself.

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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-15 06:53 pm (UTC)(link)
And only a chapter ago, Ewen had been so happy at the thought that he had one more meeting with Keith in his future! *bawls*


I'd like to add to [personal profile] regshoe's collection of lines that are currently tearing me up:

“My dearest on earth,” he said, but not as he had said it a year ago, for the gift he asked meant even more now,—“my dearest on earth, give me your kiss!”


When he first says "My dearest on earth" to Alison, way back in the prologue, there's a happy innocence to it and the strong implication that she is his dearest because he has no other dear to him.

But here in the epilogue... Now she is his dearest on earth -- for his other dear one no longer lives. And the gift of her kiss means more now than it did then, because he never had the gift of his other dear one's kiss. He kissed Keith, but that kiss was never -- and now never will be -- returned.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-15 08:19 pm (UTC)(link)
Aaaah. That is a lovely interpretation that I didn't see myself, but I'm glad you made it.
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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-15 09:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda hate myself for noticing that Ewen only calls Alison his dearest on earth before he meets Keith and after he loses him...
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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-16 05:29 am (UTC)(link)
Re-reading this comment - dearest on earth is something that I'd missed before. Which makes me want to write afterlife fic. Hmm.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-15 08:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Again not looking at other comments first.

I was thinking what an irony it was that this is the second time Keith is looking for the Prince and gets Ewen instead--the first time as farce, the second as tragedy--but then Keith himself has this exact thought.

The line about 'a species of bondage', aaaaah!

In actual history, when the Prince leaves Scotland it's with a party of almost 200, so they could easily have defeated Keith's spread-out little forces.

I find it chilling that Lachlan comes after Keith just after Keith has said 'God help me!', as if Lachlan is God's answer to Keith's dilemma!

This is so romantic, and echoes the moment when Ewen finds himself in Keith's arms before the firing squad: As he was lifted, Keith came back from a moment’s dream of a shore with long green rollers roaring loudly under a blood-red sunset, to pain and difficult breath and Ewen’s arms. He knew him.

The brandy, Ewen, as though that is going to help...

Okay, those are my random thoughts. But as a whole, the end of the chapter still makes me cry, even though I've read it multiple times by now. Gah. It's tragic, but also beautifully written in a way that makes sense and meaning out of Keith's death: that Ewen gave him someone to live and die for. In a meta sense I might resent that Keith and Ewen aren't allowed a happy ending whereas Ewen and Alison are, but I also genuinely do relish the meaningful tragedy of the ending that we get. And of course, this is only one possibility and we can write all the happy endings we want and they are as real as this.

I think Alison's worry and hope in the epilogue is beautifully written, too, especially the way she turns back down the stairs because she can't bear to immediately open the door because it might not be Ewen. The only thing I don't like about the epilogue is Ewen's comment about women and food! I'm thinking you're going to be glad of some good food, Ewen. But their relief and joy at finally meeting again, at the same time as Ewen can't bear to share his memories of Keith yet...yeah, that rings true to me.

(I still remember my proof listener at Librivox. When she commented on the next-to-last section, there was no reaction aside from that it was technically fine. When she commented on the last section, here is what she said: "Yay for happy endings :) So that's a wrap! Congratulations on a fine audiobook!" WHAT ON EARTH.)
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-15 08:28 pm (UTC)(link)
Yay for happy endings :)

OH MY FUCKING GOD WHAT

as if Lachlan is God's answer to Keith's dilemma!

Well, FUCK.

(Sorry, I seem to have nothing but profanity in me!)

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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-15 08:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm boggling at the happy endings comment. Way to miss the point entirely, proof listener!

[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-15 09:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I find it chilling that Lachlan comes after Keith just after Keith has said 'God help me!', as if Lachlan is God's answer to Keith's dilemma!

It is chilling - but I also find it comforting. Keith himself seems to find it a relief.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2022-01-16 02:42 am (UTC)(link)
I find it chilling that Lachlan comes after Keith just after Keith has said 'God help me!', as if Lachlan is God's answer to Keith's dilemma!

Oh, I didn't notice that! It is chilling... Keith calls on God for help and this is the best that God can do for him.

Ewen is going to eat his words about women and food when he finally shuts up and eats the food that Alison prepares for him. I predict he will suddenly realize that he's famished (probably hasn't eaten properly for days in between the ocean voyage/his grief over Keith) and eat up practically everything in the house.
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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2022-01-15 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Waily, waily, waily. It gets me every time.

I’ve put some thoughts in response to other comments. But here are a few more:

Keith by this time knows Ewen better than Aunt Marget and Archie. He knows Ewen won’t leave Ardroy of his own accord. How he knows Ewen is alive is anyone’s guess – except that this is an AU in which prophecies work, so why not some sort of telepathy?

But that begs another question. Why doesn’t Ewen try to get a warning to Keith once he knows of Lachlan’s vow? It wouldn’t have reached him, of course, but some sort of effort would have been nice. I suppose that’s why Broster put in the line about Ewen seeing Angus’ words in a far less disturbing light, as he goes back to his house. But still!

Silly Keith, showing himself on that promontory of rocks, just before Lachlan catches up with him. He’s short of sleep at this point, and perhaps not making the best decisions, but still, going out and standing there looking out to sea is a dangerous thing to do. I’ve walked part of that route and it’s all low-lying and pretty exposed and he should have been more damn careful.

I wonder what happened to Keith’s horse? Maybe Lachlan changed his mind about running to the patrol and made a getaway on it, and that’s why Angus ‘saw’ him returning to Ardroy.

Ewen cursing Lachlan is really a bit much – but it was a murder, after all.

And while Ewen and Keith are talking – it’s all at cross-purposes. One is saying ‘go’ and the other is saying ‘stay’. But of course what they’re both saying is, ‘I care about you.’ That little line, ‘Ewen held him closer’ is so tender and says so much in so little. It’s the most affecting one of the entire scene, to me. But Ewen, why didn’t you kiss him while he was still alive?

I can’t help wondering how Ewen coped on that long, lonely voyage to France. Duncan was probably the only one he could talk to about it, even a few words, unless there was a priest on board the ship. I don’t know whether that might be a possibility.

And a final thought. This chapter is set during a beautiful evening. Not raining at all. It is, perhaps, a good night for Keith.

I’ll try and link some pictures from my trip to the area on regshoe’s final post, if I can wrestle them off my computer and onto a decent platform – if anyone has recs for an easy site that doesn’t require me to give my phone number, I’d be most grateful.
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[personal profile] luzula 2022-01-16 03:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Just re: the photos, you can actually upload photos on Dreamwidth!
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[personal profile] friendofthejabberwock 2022-01-16 04:21 am (UTC)(link)
aaaah noooo!!

Sobbing aside, I do feel like the ending worked well for me. In a way it retroactively makes the rest of the plot more believable -- there have been a number of incredible-verging-on-unbelievable escapes already, and the way that this one doesn't work out makes the stakes in the book a little more real. The main characters (or Keith, at least) don't have plot armor.

Deaths that come out of the blue (or at least this one did for me -- I'm not usually so trusting, but I really thought this would work out okay for everyone) are also really easy to do badly and turn into something that feels cheap. Maybe it's just because I'm extremely partial to a good bleeding-out-in-someone's-arms, but this was handled very well.

But, I mean, vaguely more intellectual thoughts aside: KEITH NOOO.

I liked the way the epilogue returned some to Alison's perspective, and it was really lovely to see them reunited.

Finally, I'm already reading The Gleam in the North!

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[personal profile] philomytha 2022-01-16 12:32 pm (UTC)(link)
So everyone else has already said lots and lots about the Ewen/Keith, but I remember reading this for the first time, and what struck me most wasn't the Ewen/Keith story at all, but the Ewen/Lachlan story, and Lachlan's death and the tragedy of his arc. It's all set up in the prologue with Lachlan's desperate, unreasoning love of Ewen and his protectiveness and his willingness to disregard Ewen's wishes to do what he sees is best for Ewen, and Ewen's relative carelessness about the depths of Lachlan's devotion - and here it all come to fulfillment, where Lachlan, believing Ewen dead and Keith his betrayer, finally achieves everything he wants and then some: first he stabs Keith and achieves revenge, and then he finds the Ewen is alive and right beside him. For about ten seconds, all Lachlan's dreams have come true. Then Ewen turns it all on its head, curses Lachlan and is willing to be recaptured or killed rather than leave the dying Keith. And then when Lachlan understands what he's done and goes to Ewen for forgiveness, Ewen can't - and so Lachlan kills himself.

And you have to wonder what Angus Og made of this - is he Lachlan's nephew or his younger brother, I can't remember? We never see any sign of his reaction other than wanting Ewen to escape, even as Lachlan goes to his death.

But they're odd parallels, Keith and Lachlan, both in different ways dying here because of their love for Ewen. In some ways, it's not Keith I want fix-it fic for, but Lachlan.
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2022-01-16 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm with you re Lachlan! There's so much devotion and love and loyalty in his arc, and he comes to such a tragic, heartbreaking end. He and Ewen were brothers since they were babes in arms! Ewen is the marrow of Lachlan's heart! Lachlan loves Ewen too well to do as he is told, when Ewen's life may be at risk!

...and as near as I can tell, Ewen doesn't love Lachlan with anything like the same intensity as Lachlan loves Ewen. Even before we get to the end, it's heartbreaking.

But they're odd parallels, Keith and Lachlan, both in different ways dying here because of their love for Ewen.

Exactly! This is precisely why I want Keith & Lachlan fic, where they have to team up to save Ewen from something. They're both so hot-headed and passionate, both so devoted to Ewen... They'd be so wonderfully disastrous together, and that's even putting aside whether they can survive each other long enough to pull it off.

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