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regshoe ([personal profile] regshoe) wrote2021-11-06 06:01 pm

Flight of the Heron read-along: Part III chapters 1-2

Charlie chose the place himsel', the graveyard of Culloden...

Well, it looks like Keith's prophecies about the fate of the Jacobites, at least, weren't too inaccurate...

Next week we'll read chapters 3 and 4 of part III.
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2021-11-07 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
I was unfamiliar with the history of the Rising (which included being entirely innocent of Culloden) on my first read-through, and I have to say, Broster built the foreboding doom very well: the exhaustion and hunger and demoralization was extremely evocative, and whatever was going to happen after the end of the chapter couldn't possibly be good, that much was clear. However, I'm torn on her choice to entirely skip the battle and its aftermath, even in summary. Perhaps this comment is better left for next week, but I was left floundering in quite a big hole of bewildered ?????? by the time-and-pov skip of the coming chapter. (That said, I acknowledge I was probably never her imagined target audience, so.)

I really liked the chapter with Alison. I love how loving and affectionate their relationship is, and for all Ewen's talk in the Prologue of carrying her off, he's ultra-careful to never let himself be intimidating or cruel with her, however desperately he wants them to be married while they still can. (I'm reminded of that description near the beginning of the Gleam in the North: Like many large, strong men, Ewen Cameron was extraordinarily gentle with creatures that were neither. It's something that I love about Ewen.) I'm glad that they had their two days together here, for courage against everything that's coming. And here is the second time a ring is given as a gift! Gurer ner n ahzore bs fznyy zbzragf guebhtubhg gur abiry jurer Xrvgu vf pnfg cnenyyry gb Nyvfba -- gur bofreingvba gung cebcurpvrf bsgra fubj bar'f fcbhfr, gur jnl Rjra guvaxf bs obgu gur fuvryvat naq uvf jrqqvat avtug nf ubyl, gur jnl vg vf Xrvgu jub raqf hc pneelvat arkg gb uvf urneg gur ybpx bs Rjra'f unve zrnag sbe Nyvfba -- naq V guvax guvf tvsg bs n evat nf n jrqqvat cerfrag vf cneg bs gung frevrf jurer Xrvgu'f fvtavsvpnapr vf yvxrarq gb Nyvfba'f.

As for Ewen almost blowing himself up for love of Lochiel, and Lochiel's grief over Ewen nearly having done so, and also the various MacLarens' similar devotion to Ewen caught in glimpses throughout these two chapters... Ewen is so unlike Keith in this respect: he is deeply embedded in a wide circle of people who love deeply, devotedly, and unreservedly. Loving is a thing that you do as a part of living, as natural and necessary as breathing air, and is deeply entangled with duty and honour and loyalty, inseparable from any of them. It is such a marked contrast to Keith's emotional isolation, and I think that contrast is fundamental to several things that are coming.

And I have to say, Lachlan's perversity is growing on me, this read-through. He does what he wants (but only out of devotion to Ewen, of course!), and whenever Ewen tries to rein him in, Lachlan immediately goes for extreme overreaction and threatens suicide, thereby ensuring that he can continue to do what he wants. It's 100% clear that Ewen hasn't the least idea how to manage him. Lrf, V'z jryy njner guvf jvyy nyy raq va grnef, ohg sbe gur zbzrag, uvf novyvgl gb pbzcyrgryl syhzzbk Rjra znxrf zr ynhtu.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-11-07 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I love that Ewen is so gentle in how he uses his strength. And I think that fits in with the pattern you mention where Ewen's relationship with Keith parallels & echoes his relationship with Alison: when Keith is his prisoner (even though he's a rather troublesome prisoner!) Ewen is always gentle and courteous to him, never using his strength to intimidate, just as he is gentle with Alison here when he's asking her to hurry up their wedding.

And yes on the contrast between Ewen's loving circle of friends and family versus Keith's emotional isolation! And that ties into the fact that Ewen is more open than Keith (generally speaking; as we saw last week, he can lie quite well when he needs to!): unlike Keith, he doesn't feel the need to be on guard all the time.

How DO you solve a problem like Lachlan? Clearly the problem is quite beyond poor Ewen!
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-07 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
I like [personal profile] sanguinity's point about the parallels between Keith and Alison, and I like the way you add to them, as well: that's a good point about Ewen's gentleness both with Keith and with Alison. Gentleness in the sense of being a gentleman. : )

Although we do see him spoiling for a fight as well, both in Edinburgh and during the war! But of course that's within a context where it's honourable for him to use force.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-11-08 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
Ewen really embodies the ideal of the 18th century gentlemen. Gentle and courteous to ladies and guests (and imprisoned officers count as guests), but ready and willing and indeed eager to fight in the right circumstances!

It's an interesting contrast to Keith, who is also an honorable gentleman, but hides it somewhat under a screen of irony and cynicism (although I don't think Keith is as cynical as he likes to think he is). Underneath they're alike, but they present differently on the outside and it makes them a bit of a puzzle to each other.
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[personal profile] greerwatson 2021-11-07 12:45 pm (UTC)(link)
"I don't know how much Broster's original target audience in 1925 could be assumed to know about the '45"

My impression is that, through the first half of the twentieth century, it's not so much that people necessarily remembered all the details of the actual history, even if they learned them at school, so much as that they became entranced in childhood with the myth of the Jacobite Rebellion.

Tales of Bonnie Prince Charlie (like knights in shining armour, Mary Queen of Scots, and gallant Royalists vs wicked Roundheads) were mainstays in romantical children's historical fiction, at least in Britain. This means that, to contemporary readers, Culloden would indeed be a familiar battle, at least by name, along with the exciting story of the Prince's escape afterwards.
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2021-11-07 04:56 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, that makes a lot of sense. The only place I'd ever heard of the Rising before this was in Stevenson's Kidnapped, which I presume is an example of the kind of thing you're talking about.

I was assuming that history education of a century and more back used to put more emphasis on "dates of famous battles" than mine did -- and of course that a British education covers the history of the English and Scottish thrones, which an American education does not at all. But yes, if it was part of the cultural osmosis of a British childhood, then she wouldn't need to summarize it at all.
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-07 05:32 pm (UTC)(link)
I remember the first time I came across Jacobites I mixed them up with Jacobins. *g* Not at all the same thing!
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2021-11-07 06:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Heh. At the beginning of this read-along I sat down and made myself learn the terms Jacobean, Jacobite, and Jacobin. If I ever go to a party again, distinguishing the three can be my dumb party trick that will make all but one person go away to talk to other people, and that remaining one person will either become my best friend for the rest of the night or will be the person I spend the rest of the party desperately trying to escape.
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-07 05:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I was left floundering in quite a big hole of bewildered ?????? by the time-and-pov skip of the coming chapter.

I didn't know the history beforehand, either, but I can't remember being confused? I think I just assumed they lost the battle. But then, I was reading mostly for the Keith/Ewen and probably accepted not understanding everything. I do think that Broster, in 1925, assumed everyone would know the history.

Ewen is so unlike Keith in this respect: he is deeply embedded in a wide circle of people who love deeply, devotedly, and unreservedly. Loving is a thing that you do as a part of living, as natural and necessary as breathing air, and is deeply entangled with duty and honour and loyalty, inseparable from any of them.

I have definitely noticed this as well, but you put it beautifully. ♥

Re: Lachlan, it's worth noting that despite all his theatrical threats, ng gur raq, ur qbrfa'g whfg guerngra fhvpvqr ohg nofbyhgryl sbyybjf guebhtu ba vg. But yeah, he's a difficult character. He and Ewen are not just a laird and his gillie, they're like siblings as well, which complicates things. Sibling relationships can have so much baggage to them. I think I've tended to "smooth out" those difficulties a bit while writing fic, partly because I feel bad for him--he's the character whose loyalty gets the least reward, difficult though he is.

No one has so far written the fic where Ewen ends up in a relationship with Keith, and Lachlan finds out. OMG, the trainwreck. I think Lachlan would be incredibly upset and jealous, not least because Keith, unlike Alison, has no proper role in Ewen's life--Keith isn't part of the network of clan connections in which Ewen is embedded. Of course, it's difficult for Lachlan not to notice how important Keith is to Ewen anyway, but he doesn't have to fully face it, if he doesn't know the full extent of it.
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-07 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Also re: Ewen and Keith's relationships to love, Ewen is actually even more of an orphan than Keith is! Both his parents died when he was young, but with the network of extended family and foster-family, he grows up well loved. While Keith, with his mother still alive, does not...
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[personal profile] sanguinity 2021-11-07 06:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Rot13: Yeah. I have a lot of complicated feelings about Lachlan, howsoever I may laugh now.

Lachlan finding out: OMG. I mean, obvs a lot will depend on where/how/when the divergence happens, but... Yeah, "upset and jealous" only begins to describe it. And that's an excellent observation about Keith having no place in the social structure of Ewen's life, and how threatening Lachlan might well find that.

Ewen, Keith, and love: Yes, it's very paradoxical! I have to say I was so happy Ewen and Masters got to meet in Gleam in the North: V qnerfnl gung gurl obgu sbhaq vg n pbzsbeg gb gurve tevrs gung fbzrbar ybirq Xrvgu qhevat gur bgure raq bs uvf yvsr.
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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2021-11-07 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
No one has so far written the fic where Ewen ends up in a relationship with Keith, and Lachlan finds out. OMG, the trainwreck.

One of us at least has imagined it but chickened out of writing it. I don't think I can put such drama into words!
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[personal profile] hyarrowen 2021-11-07 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
...HTML fail, sorry.
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-08 09:08 am (UTC)(link)
I can quite understand that!
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-11-08 12:45 am (UTC)(link)
Oh my God, if Lachlan found out his reaction would LIGHT THE SKY ON FIRE. The RAGE. The jealousy! Not sexual jealousy, but platonic jealousy can be just as intense, especially given the sibling aspect of their relationship. Lachlan is Ewen's FOSTER BROTHER and he would DIE FOR HIM and instead Ewen is turning to this INCUBUS OF AN INTERLOPER who has clearly SEDUCED him into an improper relationship!!!! Lachlan must break it up. FOR EWEN'S OWN GOOD.
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-08 09:07 am (UTC)(link)
Ha, great summary! I'm almost afraid to consider how he might try to break it up. Clearly if Ewen is not open to persuasion, Lachlan needs to either discredit Keith in Ewen's eyes, or he needs to make sure something befalls Keith that Ewen can't trace back to Lachlan...ack, this could get dark.
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-11-08 11:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, I think the difficulty with any story where Lachlan Finds Out is that Lachlan's attempts to break it up, possibly by killing Keith just like that heron, would take over the whole entire story.

Although... would Ewen be open to persuasion? Probably not from Lachlan, but if Lachlan went to, say, Lochiel...
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-08 03:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Although... would Ewen be open to persuasion? Probably not from Lachlan, but if Lachlan went to, say, Lochiel...

OMG. Ewen's loyalty to Lochiel pitted against his love for Keith when they're already in a relationship! Poor Ewen, how torn he would be...
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-11-08 03:55 pm (UTC)(link)
A classic Broster conflict-of-loyalties plot!
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[personal profile] osprey_archer 2021-11-08 05:25 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sure Lochiel takes Lachlan's furious account with several grains of salt, but nonetheless he figures he had better have a long serious chat with Ewen to figure out exactly what IS going on... and is perhaps dismayed to discover just how far Ewen has gotten entangled with this English officer. And Ewen of course is DEEPLY distressed by Lochiel's dismay.
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[personal profile] luzula 2021-11-08 06:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I hope someone writes this! : D I have enough writing projects already...