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[personal profile] regshoe
Charlie chose the place himsel', the graveyard of Culloden...

Well, it looks like Keith's prophecies about the fate of the Jacobites, at least, weren't too inaccurate...

Next week we'll read chapters 3 and 4 of part III.

Date: Nov. 7th, 2021 05:20 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
I was left floundering in quite a big hole of bewildered ?????? by the time-and-pov skip of the coming chapter.

I didn't know the history beforehand, either, but I can't remember being confused? I think I just assumed they lost the battle. But then, I was reading mostly for the Keith/Ewen and probably accepted not understanding everything. I do think that Broster, in 1925, assumed everyone would know the history.

Ewen is so unlike Keith in this respect: he is deeply embedded in a wide circle of people who love deeply, devotedly, and unreservedly. Loving is a thing that you do as a part of living, as natural and necessary as breathing air, and is deeply entangled with duty and honour and loyalty, inseparable from any of them.

I have definitely noticed this as well, but you put it beautifully. ♥

Re: Lachlan, it's worth noting that despite all his theatrical threats, ng gur raq, ur qbrfa'g whfg guerngra fhvpvqr ohg nofbyhgryl sbyybjf guebhtu ba vg. But yeah, he's a difficult character. He and Ewen are not just a laird and his gillie, they're like siblings as well, which complicates things. Sibling relationships can have so much baggage to them. I think I've tended to "smooth out" those difficulties a bit while writing fic, partly because I feel bad for him--he's the character whose loyalty gets the least reward, difficult though he is.

No one has so far written the fic where Ewen ends up in a relationship with Keith, and Lachlan finds out. OMG, the trainwreck. I think Lachlan would be incredibly upset and jealous, not least because Keith, unlike Alison, has no proper role in Ewen's life--Keith isn't part of the network of clan connections in which Ewen is embedded. Of course, it's difficult for Lachlan not to notice how important Keith is to Ewen anyway, but he doesn't have to fully face it, if he doesn't know the full extent of it.

Date: Nov. 7th, 2021 05:30 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Also re: Ewen and Keith's relationships to love, Ewen is actually even more of an orphan than Keith is! Both his parents died when he was young, but with the network of extended family and foster-family, he grows up well loved. While Keith, with his mother still alive, does not...

Date: Nov. 7th, 2021 06:46 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Rot13: Yeah. I have a lot of complicated feelings about Lachlan, howsoever I may laugh now.

Lachlan finding out: OMG. I mean, obvs a lot will depend on where/how/when the divergence happens, but... Yeah, "upset and jealous" only begins to describe it. And that's an excellent observation about Keith having no place in the social structure of Ewen's life, and how threatening Lachlan might well find that.

Ewen, Keith, and love: Yes, it's very paradoxical! I have to say I was so happy Ewen and Masters got to meet in Gleam in the North: V qnerfnl gung gurl obgu sbhaq vg n pbzsbeg gb gurve tevrs gung fbzrbar ybirq Xrvgu qhevat gur bgure raq bs uvf yvsr.

Date: Nov. 7th, 2021 09:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
No one has so far written the fic where Ewen ends up in a relationship with Keith, and Lachlan finds out. OMG, the trainwreck.

One of us at least has imagined it but chickened out of writing it. I don't think I can put such drama into words!

Date: Nov. 7th, 2021 09:35 pm (UTC)
hyarrowen: (Action Hero)
From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
...HTML fail, sorry.

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 09:08 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
I can quite understand that!

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 12:45 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Oh my God, if Lachlan found out his reaction would LIGHT THE SKY ON FIRE. The RAGE. The jealousy! Not sexual jealousy, but platonic jealousy can be just as intense, especially given the sibling aspect of their relationship. Lachlan is Ewen's FOSTER BROTHER and he would DIE FOR HIM and instead Ewen is turning to this INCUBUS OF AN INTERLOPER who has clearly SEDUCED him into an improper relationship!!!! Lachlan must break it up. FOR EWEN'S OWN GOOD.

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 09:07 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Ha, great summary! I'm almost afraid to consider how he might try to break it up. Clearly if Ewen is not open to persuasion, Lachlan needs to either discredit Keith in Ewen's eyes, or he needs to make sure something befalls Keith that Ewen can't trace back to Lachlan...ack, this could get dark.

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 11:53 am (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Yes, I think the difficulty with any story where Lachlan Finds Out is that Lachlan's attempts to break it up, possibly by killing Keith just like that heron, would take over the whole entire story.

Although... would Ewen be open to persuasion? Probably not from Lachlan, but if Lachlan went to, say, Lochiel...

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 03:43 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Although... would Ewen be open to persuasion? Probably not from Lachlan, but if Lachlan went to, say, Lochiel...

OMG. Ewen's loyalty to Lochiel pitted against his love for Keith when they're already in a relationship! Poor Ewen, how torn he would be...

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 03:55 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
A classic Broster conflict-of-loyalties plot!

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 05:25 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
I'm sure Lochiel takes Lachlan's furious account with several grains of salt, but nonetheless he figures he had better have a long serious chat with Ewen to figure out exactly what IS going on... and is perhaps dismayed to discover just how far Ewen has gotten entangled with this English officer. And Ewen of course is DEEPLY distressed by Lochiel's dismay.

Date: Nov. 8th, 2021 06:15 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
I hope someone writes this! : D I have enough writing projects already...

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