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I do think things are getting good in this week's chapters... :D

Next week we'll read the first two chapters of Part III.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 01:59 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] impala_chick
Keith knows that Ewen is one of Charles's aides-de-camp
I wondered about this too! That does give some delightful implications about Keith trying to keep tabs on Ewen.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 12:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hedgebird
I was very curious who the "well-known Whig lady" was; it seems like we're meant to recognise her!

Date: Oct. 30th, 2021 11:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I found a map of Edinburgh in the late 18th century: https://maps.nls.uk/view/74400070 which makes it very clear just how close to the Castle they were. All those narrow wynds are very clear as well. There's another earlier map here, https://maps.nls.uk/view/74414281 showing how the city is basically a spine with houses crammed in on either side. A good place for night-time shenanigans. Robert Louis Stevenson described it perfectly in "Catriona" - the tall, dark city.

Ewen, 'pining for a fight' is delighted at the prospect of getting to fight Keith before being taken prisoner, while Keith, sincere and courteous, would really rather avoid the fuss and the risk of hurting him, much like Ewen did at their first meeting. 'As the threads are twisted...' indeed!

Oh, that's a good point! That phrase had always confused me.

Keith is once again really unpleasant to his men - not good officering, Keith! No wonder they slammed the door on him. Get a hold on your temper! And then he takes it out on Ewen and is immediately Stricken with Remorse. So you should be!

Nor do the Jacobite men come off at all well here. They all bugger off down the secret stair, leaving a very old lady and a very young lady, with just an inebriated doorkeeper to protect them. They’re perfectly safe with Keith, of course, but suppose it had been Thguevr leading that patrol?

(And I wonder if the drunken doorkeeper owes anything to his predecessor in Macbeth. Knock, knock, knock… who’s there?)

Finally, Miss Isobel Cochran and Lady Easterhall reappear briefly and I still like them both very much. If I were Isobel, I would have made a determined play for Keith, but there’s no accounting for tastes.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 10:20 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Oh, thanks for the Edinburgh map! That's going to be useful for fic-writing.

Nor do the Jacobite men come off at all well here.

If BPC hadn't been so set on the cloak-and-dagger shenanigans, they could have sent for a sizeable contingent of the Camerons in the West Bow to come and just generally be present in that part of the Grassmarket. They needn't even have told them why--and then the redcoats coming down from the Castle wouldn't have got far.

But of course, this would have prevented Ewen and Keith from meeting, which is obviously the real object here. : )

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 10:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
If BPC hadn't been so set on the cloak-and-dagger shenanigans, they could have sent for a sizeable contingent of the Camerons in the West Bow to come and just generally be present in that part of the Grassmarket.

Good heavens, I'd never thought about that! Though it's very much in-character for BPC to adopt a disguise. He was an adventurer, when all's said and done.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 06:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Oh, those maps are very helpful. I was tracing the route against modern-day Google, and while all the locations still exist, I was still befuddled by "they went up the street? and then down the street? and all the streets are parallel to the street?" But now seeing that 18th-century Edinburgh was basically bar shot, I am more bemused than befuddled.

Keith is once again really unpleasant to his men - not good officering, Keith! No wonder they slammed the door on him.

I had to laugh at their very appropriate complaint about how they're supposed to take Ewen without injuring him, when he obviously felt no reluctance to injure them. If you're going to give orders, give actionable orders, sir!

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 08:51 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I've found a map dated 1742. Don't know how I missed it before.

https://maps.nls.uk/towns/rec/7467

It's amazing how many of those tiny streets are still there.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 09:07 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
I had to laugh at their very appropriate complaint about how they're supposed to take Ewen without injuring him, when he obviously felt no reluctance to injure them. If you're going to give orders, give actionable orders, sir!

Hee. I imagine Keith is feeling some emotional dissonance in that moment! His orders probably make more sense when he's trying to capture someone other than Ewen...

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 09:24 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
One should hope so!

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 10:54 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I was surprised at how small the city was!

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 01:52 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] impala_chick
Wow, the hurt/comfort was so strong in this part! The tension during that whole confrontation was so great. I loved the symmetry with Keith escaping the same way the prince had. It was funny how he didn't recognize Ewen at first (in his dressed up clothes?) But then recognized his voice. That gives me ~thoughts about Ewen's voice!! I really liked Keith's instant regret and Ewen's understanding about the whole situation. Sure seems like Keith is going to be worried about redemption and Ewen is going to be conflicted about what to think of Keith for a bit.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 10:53 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
It was funny how he didn't recognize Ewen at first (in his dressed up clothes?)

I'm like that - hopeless at faces, can recognise voices no problem. The first episode of Game of Thrones was a wild ride for me.

Naq gur u/p vf whfg trggvat fgnegrq, uru.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 10:10 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
[personal profile] regshoe sums it up well! I do like to see Ewen spoiling for a fight like this--he knows he will very likely be captured, but before that, he means to make as good a showing as he can. No wonder Keith dwells so admiringly on it afterwards--we do see another side of him!

And yet, as soon as Keith shows genuine feeling and remorse, Ewen drops all his bravado and teasing comments, and begins (just after Keith has cut his hand, too!) to show genuine feeling in response. It's a bit like Keith in the hut at Kinlochiel, taunting Ewen, but then when he sees that Ewen is going to sleep in his wet plaid, being all 'Oh no, borrow my cloak!'.

Good foreshadowing of eventual doom in this chapter, with Keith's comment before he goes off down the passage. And re: the future, Alison continues to take the prophecy much more seriously than Ewen does, forming theories about what the 'bitter grief' might be...

however, we then get that amazing introspective passage in which Keith thinks at length about how much he fancies Ewen and how annoying it is

Ha ha, yes, it really is amazing. 'Arrgh, I have to stop thinking about Ewen and how extraordinarily handsome he is, and how he got the better of me!'

And the hurt-comfort, too, is just lovely.

Re: everybody and their sister admiring Ewen, I can't help quoting the most jaw-dropping passage of this kind from Gleam in the North, the sequel. Ewen is visiting his maternal uncle in Appin:

A tall, upright old man, though moving stiffly, Invernacree opened the door of his own study for his nephew. 'Sit there, Ewen, under your mother’s picture. It is good to see you there; and I like to remember,' he added, looking him up and down, 'that Stewart blood went to the making of that braw body of yours. I sometimes think that you are the finest piece of manhood ever I set eyes on.'

'My dear uncle,' murmured the subject of this encomium, considerably embarrassed.

'You must forgive an old man who has lost a son not unlike you.'


Um.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 10:50 pm (UTC)
hyarrowen: (Action Hero)
From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
So Ian was tall and red-haired and blue-eyed? Hm, interesting.

As for the introspection - yes, Keith, you are an idiot. Go and find something else to do! And actually I like General Preston a lot. Now there's an example to follow.

Date: Oct. 31st, 2021 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
No, Alan, blast it. Ian was dark-haired iirc. Poor Ian.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 09:09 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Poor Ian? He was the one who survived and was eventually happily married. : ) Poor Alan, more like...

And possibly Ewen's uncle just meant that Alan was strong and tall, not necessarily red-haired and blue-eyed.

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 11:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Well, that's true! I was just thinking that if he got compared to a Ewen-type Adonis all his life, that's a pretty crappy childhood and adolescence.

Date: Nov. 10th, 2021 05:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
I loved these chapters! Swashbuckling and lots of great Keith-and-Ewen :D

And yet, as soon as Keith shows genuine feeling and remorse, Ewen drops all his bravado and teasing comments, and begins (just after Keith has cut his hand, too!) to show genuine feeling in response.

Yessss this was wonderful!

Ha ha, yes, it really is amazing. 'Arrgh, I have to stop thinking about Ewen and how extraordinarily handsome he is, and how he got the better of me!'

Man, I was dying, that was so hilariously over-the-top slashy!

Date: Nov. 1st, 2021 09:53 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I heartily approve of the enemyship deliciousness of this chapter, and confess to hur-hur-hur-ing through all the not-quite-double-entendres of them ramping up to that swordfight. (Swords and velvet sheathes and challenges that sound like come-ons, oh my!) Then pivoting on a dime to hurt/comfort and rescuing each other? Chef's kiss! Fandom catnip! I want twenty movie versions of this chapter, each more outrageous than the next!

(Related: I laugh at Ewen vainly trying to explain to Alison after that it wasn't Errol Flynn levels of theatrical swashbuckling, when the swashbuckling was still plenty theatrical!)

I do feel for poor Keith, though. He thought that being Ewen's prisoner was finally going to work in his favor! A lucky stroke, to be towed around behind Ewen for a week! AND THEN IT VERY MUCH WAS NOT. Honestly, I would brood and fume over it, too. Ewen had his revenge for those three guineas and then some!

I note (but am not sure what to do with) the parallels between BCP's ring and Xrvgu'f evat: the ring bearing a portrait/insignia of its original owner, sharp-eyed Alison noticing it right away, and Ewen's reluctance to talk about it.

I also find it fascinating that at this point, Alison and Lachlan are the only ones in the main cast who believe in the prophecy. It's a strange alliance, is it not? From a Doylist perspective, Alison's belief is mostly a way of keeping the prophecy before the reader, especially since Ewen does not lay much credit to the prophecy himself yet. But there's still an interesting comparison and contrast between Alison and Lachlan, and their respective care for and devotion to Ewen, I think.

Date: Nov. 4th, 2021 12:06 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Hee, glad you enjoyed it! This is really the last fun swashbuckling we get, before things turn more serious, so I feel like Broster is making the most of it.

But there's still an interesting comparison and contrast between Alison and Lachlan, and their respective care for and devotion to Ewen, I think.

Yes, they're both devoted to Ewen, but otherwise quite different, I think! Alison is more independent-minded, and Lachlan more a subordinate...but one who sometimes serves in the way that he wants, not the way Ewen wants.

Hmm, I'm not sure what to do with your observation about the rings, either.

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