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Tha's bahn' to catch thy deeath o' cowd...

Welcome back, everyone, and happy new year! We embark on the final Part...

Next week we'll continue with chapters 3 and 4 of Part V.

Date: Jan. 1st, 2022 10:32 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
The sparing of Ardroy is one of those things that ought to feel too convenient or indulgent, and yet it's so beautifully written that it works. It's a brief reprieve for Ewen after a time of great darkness in his life - the collapse of his cause, the death of his foster brother Neil, his imprisonment (and all the agony of that time he believed Keith had betrayed him and he himself had betrayed Lochiel) - and although he has escaped to home for now, he knows that he will have to leave his beloved house and loch to be truly safe.

So what comes across is not "our protagonist's house is protected by the special forces that protect protagonists and their things," but the sense that for once the chances of war have turned in Ewen's favor rather than against him - after a long string where they've turned over and over against him.

Also, I love the description of Aunt Margaret and company tending the smoking fires so that it would look to all the countryside as if Ardroy is good and burnt. It seems so in character for her, and also very characteristic that she might touch off a spark of humanity in an English officer so he'd purposefully set the fire badly.

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 04:49 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I agree about Aunt Margaret taking care to fake the burning of Ardroy! Really all through these chapters, we have so many people being clever and brave and good -- the girl, Fosdyke, Jan, Aunt Margaret, Marsali... I love everyone in this bar.

And Lassie is such a good girl to find Ewen! I know Ewen wouldn't have hurt the dog, but I could still very much feel Fosdyke's distress that Lassie might get stabbed by the rebel she flushed. Why that fear should be so agonizing to me given everything else, I don't know, but it was very important to me that in all this desperation and heartbreak, this one happy creature should be allowed to keep her happiness.

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 04:54 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Me too, I wouldn't have been able to handle it if Lassie had been hurt. She's just being a good girl! And I like that part of the reason Fosdyke decides to help Ewen is because he refused to hurt her.

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 05:41 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
There's something so straightforward about the dog's point of view: "Here is a person in distress! Come help the person in distress!" Which is the way it should be, honestly, and isn't nearly often enough.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 09:10 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Exactly! Dogs are such great role models, honestly. ♥

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 10:42 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] friendofthejabberwock
I also really liked how Fosdyke helps Ewen partially because he doesn't harm Lassie -- he has excellent priorities. :D

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 09:11 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Lassie is a good judge of character, and obviously Fosdyke knows it. ;D

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 05:01 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Oh, well-spotted that it could as easily have been Keith's prayers as Alison's -- yet another parallel between the two of them. The bit in 5.1 about Ewen's wedding night being holy, which is also how he describes the night in the shieling, is another one, I think.

And I said much earlier in rot13, so I'll say it again here: it's a beautiful bit of writing to have Ewen traveling the same route Keith did. Not only as an exercise in contrasts between how the two characters see the landscape, but it ALSO beautifully sets up Ewen's escape. Broster didn't just randomly declare that you can't see the bridge from the road, exactly where it would be most convenient for Ewen's escape: she materially demonstrated it for us right back at the very beginning of the book. Beautifully, elegantly done, that.

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 10:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I hadn't thought of the two Yorkshiremen (and dog) being the answer to Keith's prayer. What a lovely idea. I love the picture of Mr Fosdyke wanting to take his meal by the river too. An unexpectedly poetical disguise for this angel in disguise.

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 10:16 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I do like the instance of nice Hanoverians that we get in this section, I must admit. The soldiers are kind (I wonder what happened to them?) and so are the farmers; and also the officer in charge of burning Ardroy. It’s humanising to see them so; they’re just people.

It hadn’t occurred to me that Ewen is taking the same route as Keith did here, though the return to Spean Bridge is an obvious and nicely circular arc. It was on TV here the other night - Portillo, perhaps - and though I’ve been to the town, I didn’t make it to the bridge. They are not kidding when they call it High Bridge.

I hope that Ewen sends help to the women who helped him, and what was he doing looking down the girl’s blouse anyway, good grief, Ewen! She was damn clever about getting it to him, though.

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 04:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] killclaudio
I liked the nice Hanoverians as well! There's a good sense of balance to the whole book, realistic about the horrors that happened but full of wonderful acts of human kindness too.

I was so worried about the soldiers who were transporting Ewen, because I don't like to think of them being punished for their kindness. I'm just going to assume that in the chaos of chasing down the remaining rebels, nobody had time to do more than give them a stern talking-to. :)

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 12:08 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Yes, fingers crossed for the soldiers. Gurer'f n uvag va n yngre puncgre bs jung gur bhgpbzr bs gur punfr jnf. Be ng yrnfg, gur fgbel gung jnf chg nobhg.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 08:31 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] killclaudio
I actually just finished the book tonight, and yes, ubcrshyyl gur ehzbhef bs Rjra'f qrzvfr jvyy znxr vg zhpu rnfvre ba gurz! Nygubhtu V'z thrffvat ybfvat n cevfbare vf sebjarq hcba rira vs gurl qba'g xabj ur tbg njnl. :)

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 08:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Ru, fnirf gur pbfg bs n gevny naq gur snss bs svaqvat jvgarffrf. Naq gung tebhc bs fbyqvref arire jnagrq gb znxr gur fvqr-gevc gb Sbeg Jvyyvnz naljnl.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 09:11 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Very true!

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 12:37 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzula
The real pairing in these two chapters is neither Ewen/Keith nor Ewen/Alison, but Ewen/Ardroy! And I really ship it. : )

Even having read both chapters multiple times before, they still put tears in my eyes. That bit where he is riding alongside Loch Oich, looking up at Beinn Tigh and the glen beyond it that he can't see, is one of my favorite bits in the whole book: No, never again; neither in this world nor the next. For Loch na h-Iolaire was not like Alison and him; it had not a soul free of time and space. Loch na h-Iolaire existed over there, only there, on that one spot of earth, and in all the fields of heaven there would be no lake so lovely, and in heaven the grey mists would never swoop down on one who ambushed the deer.

And it's also interesting in the context of Ewen's faith: he's sure that he will see the people he loves again, in the next life: but what about the places and earthly things that he loves? It's just heartbreaking.

On another level, Ewen's escape is also a good bit of adventure writing! Even weak as he is, he manages to outwit his guards--and avoid the ending which Broster is feinting towards. She does love a good will-he-die-or-won't-he.

I'm fond of the angels from Yorkshire, and can't help hearing them in [personal profile] regshoe's voice, since she recorded their dialogue for me in the right dialect, as preparation for my audiobook recording. Not that I actually could do the dialect myself (those pesky glottal stops replacing "the"!). I also like them for being ordinary people doing a stranger a good turn. Although it's a bit of a contradiction, that at the same time they have no problems with buying cattle which the government has taken from people, but then feel that they've gotten even with government for giving them a bad bargain...but then, people are contradictory. Do check out [personal profile] regshoe's little fic about Mr Fosdyke. And heh, I've never heard that Yorkshire song. : )

Ewen returning to Ardroy, and to Aunt Margaret, again puts tears in my eyes. That bit where he doesn't look because he knows (or thinks he knows) what he will see, and then does look and doubts his vision. And later he doubts his own reality instead... I also love that he thinks about the welfare of all the people at Ardroy: Aunt Margaret first and foremost, the servants, old Angus and his grandchildren, the womenfolk, the fugitives from Drumossie Moor.

And the officer who doesn't set fire to Ardroy is a lovely proof that Keith isn't the only one among the Hanoverians who has compassion and common decency.

Okay, I wrote this without first reading [personal profile] regshoe's comment; let's see how much overlap there is. *hits post*

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 06:05 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
The passages where Ewen thinks he's leaving Ardroy forever are so beautiful, I will never be over it. The way he drinks in the sight of it like a lover, the way heaven is unfavourably compared to it, trying to disguise that he's crying...

Also agree that the escape was a great bit of adventure writing! I've been reading some writing advice about making your plot unexpected in small ways, and I couldn't have asked for a more perfect example. I suspected Ewen was going to escape, but didn't forsee how he would outsmart the soldiers by hiding in the undergrowth, and the Yorkshiremen were a complete surprise that could have plausibly gone either way. I was genuinely holding my breath at some parts.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 12:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I've been reading some writing advice about making your plot unexpected in small ways

Oooh... is it possible to have a link? (Or author\title, if it's a book.)

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 07:47 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
There were about three or four different articles, and when I checked my bookmarks, I only remembered to save one of them. *facepalm* Brain like a sieve.

Anyway, the one I kept was Surprising Your Readers in Every Scene by September C. Fawkes. I also like the book she mentions by Robert McKee, but only one chapter of it covers the surprise thing.

One was some meta about an episode of Person of Interest called 'Matsya Nyaya', and I'm kicking myself that I can't find it again. But basically, the setup of Person of Interest is that Reese and Finch can predict future crimes through unrealistic computer shenanigans I won't go into. In the episode, they're protecting a guy who works for an armored truck company, so it's pretty obvious that the truck is going to get attacked by thieves. But instead of that happening directly, there are several false alarms where the crew stops at a jeweler but actually they're just picking up employee payslips, etc, and then at the end there's nothing left but a medical supply company, medical equipment isn't exactly easy to fence. Oh, they're picking up platinum for pacemakers, which is massively valuable, oh no! and then they're attacked. It was pretty much just an example of how to feint to keep the audience engaged.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 08:00 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
I just had a look for the Robert McKee book out of curiosity, and it looks like it's really hard to buy an ebook but there's a version available for free on archive.org: 'Story' by Robert McKee. (Hopefully a legal one? But I'm surprised.)

You probably want to read the bit on p. 35 where he talks about scenes and beats, and then p. 147 where he talks about 'The Gap'.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 10:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I read those sections and it looks like a good way in to something that's always baffled me, ie plot. So I've ordered a copy, thank-you!

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 11:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Thank-you - there are some very helpful pointers in there, and it's good of you to type it all out! I like the example that's given in the tumblr post, and also your example from person of Interest. It just keeps ramping up the anticipation, because each possible incident could go so many ways. And I immediately thought "I don't have to think up each incident in sequence, I can just decide on the big one and jam in the extras once that's sorted out," so I guess I'm learning... slowly...

I looked at the Robert McKee book and it's expensive even s/h! So it's obviously very good. I've made an alert for it and will probably end up with a very battered and dog-eared copy which suits me just fine.

Date: Jan. 4th, 2022 01:17 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
I don't have to think up each incident in sequence, I can just decide on the big one and jam in the extras once that's sorted out

This is how I do it, too! Or at least, try to do it. I've got an idea of the theory, but the practice still eludes me. :)

I couldn't believe how expensive the book was! Hopefully the copy you found was reasonable. It's 400-and-some pages and pretty densely packed with advice, so at least you get a lot for your money. I hope you find it helpful!

Date: Jan. 2nd, 2022 10:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] friendofthejabberwock
I think these might even be my favorite pair of chapters thus far, which is saying a lot. Everything just makes for a lovely combination for me -- Ewen leaving for his trial (D":), more English side characters with a lot of humanity, the escape, the dog (:D), and coming home to find Ardroy and Aunt Margaret very much intact.

Somehow the fact that Ewen regrets leaving his land behind, while being comparatively calm about his family and friends, made that scene even more affecting for me. Focusing primarily on, say, Alison instead would have been more conventional, but I don't think it wouldn't have worked as well.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 12:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Yes, it points up how important his religion is to him. He's sure he's going to meet his loved ones in the next life. But he loves this mundane world, and his own home, so very much too.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 12:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
:-(((((

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 11:02 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] friendofthejabberwock
It's a really moving angle to take, even when I'm not at all religious myself. I was reasonably sure this wasn't going to be the end for him, given this is only the first book, but Broster did a wonderful job of keeping me wondering and feeling for Ewen anyway.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 11:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
I read it when the books were only available as single volumes and I was on tenterhooks throughout FotH. It really worked as a suspense story then.

...I'm still miffed about it all being lumped together as "Jacobite Trilogy" on the AO3 - as if anyone would go looking for fic under that name! That combined edition only came out in the 1980s anyway. It's be like having Richard II - Richard III all lumped together under "History Plays" and not listed under the individual plays.

mutter mutter mutter, broken record, waste of breath, etc

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 11:40 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] friendofthejabberwock
I'll bet it did! Prior to this read-along I hadn't even heard of the book, and I didn't realize until partly through this that there were sequels (it was probably mentioned, and I just overlooked it.) The tagging decision is odd -- the fandom tag for one of my main fandoms has kept both the series name and the name of the first book in it, so I'm not sure why this one didn't. (i.e., The Locked Tomb Series | Gideon the Ninth Series - Tamsyn Muir.)

Date: Jan. 4th, 2022 02:03 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Much easier to find fic if it has the name of book everyone's interested in as well as the series name (which in DKB's case wasn't given until 30 years after her death and was entirely due to Penguin publishing it in one volume.)

*grumps*

Date: Jan. 4th, 2022 10:46 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Perhaps I take this too seriously...!

NEVER.

/did librarianship training

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 11:35 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] friendofthejabberwock
Well, ya know, insisting on being honorable and doing your best to torpedo your own career in the process has be tiring. He's allowed a break from being the POV character sometimes. :D

(But you're right -- I don't think there's a such thing as too much Keith.)

And yes -- I think the way that the narrative is so tightly tied to the land itself works especially well when the broader conflict is over the rule of that land. I really love the result, too.

Date: Jan. 3rd, 2022 01:01 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philomytha
Joining in with everyone else to say that the way Ewen's physical ordeal and grief is balanced out by the unexpected acts of kindness from people who are technically enemies is one of the loveliest things about this section. It's possible, actually, this this whole section is responsible for my long-abiding love for narratives containing unexpected kindnesses from enemies.

And, Lassie <3

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