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Firstly, there seems to be a lot of new interest in D. K. Broster and her books happening at the moment! I'm delighted, of course. And on that topic, Broster fan and excellent researcher [personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea has found this short autobiographical article, in which she talks about her childhood and experiences in the war as well as about her writing process.

London War Notes by Mollie Panter-Downes (1939-45). Mollie Panter-Downes was the London correspondent for The New Yorker, and this book is a collection of the regular columns she wrote for the magazine throughout the war, updating American readers on various general aspects of how the situation was going. I found the minutiae of the political developments and the details of daily life—rationing, gas-masks, the blackout and so on—recounted as they developed, really fascinating, and it was very illuminating, I suppose, to compare them with my own experiences of the last year and a half in a general sense that this is what big historical events look like on the ground while they're happening. There's a lot of detail on the Blitz, of course—more everyday details, like people's commuter buses having to be re-routed round bombed streets, as well as some striking descriptions of the destruction itself, and people's immediate reactions to the damage to historic buildings like Coventry Cathedral and London churches designed by Wren. There's some discussion of the plans for post-war reconstruction as they were being made. And, with Panter-Downes's audience in mind, there's a lot about the role of the US, from early hopes of help to the presence of American soldiers in London later on. Overall, a really fascinating perspective.

Two College Friends by Frederick W. Loring (1871). I think this is the sort of thing D. K. Broster might have written if she'd been American (and a much less good writer, but never mind). It opens with the two college friends of the title, Ned and Tom, who are BFFs at Harvard and who are having an argument: Ned thinks Tom is in love because he's carrying around a photograph of some girl and won't talk about it, and is upset about this. It turns out the photo is of Tom himself in female costume in a play, and he was planning to give it to Ned as a present because he thought he'd like it. Anyway, this is all very amusing, but then, suddenly, the American Civil War breaks out! Ned and Tom, full of patriotic fervour, both enlist, and the rest of the book follows them on their adventures in the war. The climax of the plot is a beautiful mess of hurt/comfort, mutual love and devotion and gentlemanly honour and duty (featuring Stonewall Jackson in the role of Noble Enemy), which ends in tragedy. It's a very, very slashy book, and Loring seems more or less aware—if not in what I, still working on the Imre ebook, might call the Edward Prime-Stevenson sense—that what he's writing about is love, in a sense comparable to acknowledged romance. This was enjoyable, as was the Broster-ish honour-based drama of the ending. I think its main flaw is that it's far too short—the same plot could easily have filled a book five times longer, and none of the important elements—characters, relationship, plot, historical setting—have anything like the room they need to be developed fully.

The Precious Bane by Mary Webb (1925). I had previously encountered Mary Webb only as the target of Stella Gibbons's satire in Cold Comfort Farm, and, to be fair, I think I might have liked this book better if I hadn't. It's set in rural Shropshire in the early nineteenth century, and narrated by Prue Sarn, a young woman who has a cleft lip ('hare-shotten lip') and lives on a farm by a lake with her brother, who is a determinedly horrible person. There are some really lovely nature descriptions—Webb paints an evocative picture of the lake, especially, and of the sense of being out in the middle of the countryside in the clear air surrounded by birds and insects and working in the fields. And there's a decent message somewhere in there about ableism and how disabled characters can find the happiness they want despite cruelty and prejudice—Prue, who's been told that of course no man will ever look at her, falls in love with the weaver Kester Woodseaves, who it turns out is quite happy to after all. But the whole thing is so melodramatic—both in the events of the plot and in the style of the narration and dialogue, with e.g. characters' prophesied tragic fates (which duly come true later on) being solemnly repeated whenever they're mentioned—that I found it difficult to take seriously, and I also felt that the romance, while admirable in theory, was distinctly unappealing in practice for several reasons.

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 01:02 pm (UTC)
isis: (tea and book)
From: [personal profile] isis
I'm really enjoying your book reviews!

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 02:05 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
YAY someone else who has read Two College Friends, I read this book recently and spent much of it cackling gleefully because the id is SO close to the surface. The part where Ned repeatedly kisses Tom's flushed, feverish, unconscious face while whispering "My darling, oh, my darling," and then rushes back behind Confederate lines so Stonewall Jackson can have him executed for breaking parole? But first Stonewall Jackson pauses to admire Ned's honor and the power of his loving friendship for Tom. OH MY GOD.

This book is apparently RPF about Loring and his own best friend from college (and I think also one of their professors?). I'd love to know what the best friend made of it, especially because Loring tragically died around the time of publication.

I haven't read The Precious Bane, but I did read Mary Webb's other novel Gone to Earth (because it was on the list of novels that Roald Dahl has Matilda read in Matilda, which is definitely a Choice), and it too is SO melodramatic, and not always in the fun way like Two College Friends. (I think a deep dive into melodrama is often more enjoyable in a less-skilled writer. Webb is too good to pull it off.) There's a scene where there are some birds pecking at windfall cherries "like the world pecks at poet's hearts."

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 02:14 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
YAY someone else who has read Two College Friends, I read this book recently

Heh, I saw your review and tipped [personal profile] regshoe off to the existence of the book, so it's not an independent event... ETA: Or maybe she was already following you anyway, I don't know? Oh well.
Edited Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 02:15 pm (UTC)

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 09:57 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Well then YAY I'm glad that I have helped to spread news of this book out into the world. It's So Much and I love it for that.

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 09:59 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Yes, I think they were just a bit too young to take part in the actual war. (Well, given the age of some of the drummer boys, probably they weren't technically too young... but I don't think either of them fought.) However, mere peacetime apparently did not do justice to Loring's FEELINGS, hence the Civil War RPF.

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 08:12 pm (UTC)
theseatheseatheopensea: Illustration of the Sir Patrick Spens ballad, from A Book of Old English Ballads, by George Wharton Edwards. (Sir Patrick Spens.)
From: [personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea
Oh, I've read "Two College Friends" too! I found it a while ago on Gutenberg, in the "male friendship" category! XD I mostly remember the dramatic, honourable, tragic war bits, and one of the characters calling his friend "darling" (and the het romance at the end, but we can just ignore that, right?)

in what I, still working on the Imre ebook, might call the Edward Prime-Stevenson sense

He's his own category, isn't he? <3 Both the implicit queerness and the happy endings are very refreshing, especially when compared to books like this one, full of subtext and tragic endings--not that they aren't enjoyable in their own way, of course, they are good inspiration for fix-it fic! XD But there are so many of them, and so few happy ones, it seems...

And yeah, "Precious bane" is a bit melodramatic and OTT, and I guess the romance is a bit dated. There was a scene I didn't like, around the time where they first meet, and actually my favourite thing about it is when they send letters to other people that are actually veiled letters to each other. But I guess I'm very contrary, and will root for a het romance when the rest of the world doesn't XD I might have cared less about it if Prue hadn't been disabled, or if she had been forced into romance (which is sometihng that happens to another one of Mary Webb's characters).

If Prue had stayed alone at the end, it would have also made sense, because she had lived alone all her life and managed pretty well and didn't need anyone. But she is definitely not a helpless heroine, and she clearly wants romance for herself, so it works for me! And I liked the parallel between her saving Kester and him saving her at the end, it makes me think that they are on equal terms. And also they have a similar kindness, that makes me feel that they are right for each other.

I guess that the book's message would have worked even better in a less melodramatic story. One of the ugliest parts of ableism is people hearing over and over that they can't have something until they believe it themselves, so it's still good and vindicating to see someone (even if it's a fictional character) getting *exactly* what the world says they can't have.

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 09:57 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
I for one cackled madly when it turned out that Tom married a girl named Nettie (if you say it fast it's basically Neddie) AND they named their firstborn son after Ned, because I guess Nettie didn't lose any brothers in the war or anything. YOU DO YOU, LORING.

Date: Aug. 2nd, 2021 05:08 pm (UTC)
theseatheseatheopensea: Lyrics from the song Stolen property, by The Triffids, handwritten by David McComb. (Default)
From: [personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea
I may be too bitter about it, but a het relationship that can happen only when the m/m (or f/f) element is removed seems to be far too frequent in fiction, and it makes me really sad (and angry too, when I have enough spoons...)

I liked the veiled letters as a means to an end for them to try and express their feelings, but I see what you mean-they kind of hijacked and took advantage of other's people only way to communicate, if that makes sense?

Oh, I think you've mentioned "Olive" before, and it definitely sounds like a good one! Thanks for the rec!!
Edited Date: Aug. 2nd, 2021 05:10 pm (UTC)

Date: Aug. 1st, 2021 10:38 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Rotwang)
From: [personal profile] sovay
And on that topic, Broster fan and excellent researcher theseatheseatheopensea has found this short autobiographical article, in which she talks about her childhood and experiences in the war as well as about her writing process.

The biographical information is neat, but I really like her discussion of her writing, especially the familiar description of a story starting from a fragment around which everything else is written. I'd love to know what her "mental pictures" were for her different books.

Date: Aug. 2nd, 2021 05:47 pm (UTC)
theseatheseatheopensea: Illustration of the Sir Patrick Spens ballad, from A Book of Old English Ballads, by George Wharton Edwards. (Sir Patrick Spens.)
From: [personal profile] theseatheseatheopensea
May I add my theory about this story being a hint of what would later be "The flight of the Heron? It's not as evident as the "Sir Isumbras" one, but there are lots of similar details, like despatches, h/c, hand holding, m/m vibes, swooning, tragic events... and Jacobites, of course!

"Some force (not my own will, sure) moved forward my hands, which met his in a grip as short as a lightning-flash, and as long as eternity. He gave me a look quite indescribable—of pity and forgiveness, and (I should not write it were I not sure) of affection."

Date: Aug. 3rd, 2021 07:19 am (UTC)
sovay: (Viktor & Mordecai)
From: [personal profile] sovay
It's not as evident as the "Sir Isumbras" one, but there are lots of similar details, like despatches, h/c, hand holding, m/m vibes, swooning, tragic events... and Jacobites, of course!

Each man kills the thing he loves, indeed.

(Preserving a friend's life by suggesting that he might give up information against his cause is present in both stories, too, although it's not played for angst in this one.)

Date: Aug. 2nd, 2021 06:08 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Claude Rains)
From: [personal profile] sovay
this short story, which appears (with very few changes) as one of the later chapters in the novel Sir Isumbras at the Ford.

That's a very nice thing to be able to track.

I was struck at the time by the method of turning a short story into a novel by exploring the background of one incident, rather than by simply expanding the plot into book form, and this discussion of her writing process really puts that in context.

M. John Harrison has a similar technique: I have seen him both elaborate the plot of a short story across a novel and incorporate short stories wholesale as chapters within a novel, sometimes in the same book; it's especially visible in The Course of the Heart (1992), which contains remixes or inclusions of four identifiable stories. I write by accretion myself, but not at novel-length. I don't mostly write by incorporation, but there are a couple of places it's happened.

Date: Aug. 2nd, 2021 11:05 pm (UTC)
sovay: (Sydney Carton)
From: [personal profile] sovay
I've not read any of his books, but that must have made for a fun bit of detective work tracking them all down.

I read the short stories first! Which made the novel itself simultaneously enjoyable on its own merits—it's my favorite of his novels so far, although I am again one behind because almost anything that came out in 2020 missed me—and a differently enjoyable exercise in ". . . wait a minute."

Now I'm thinking of Tolkien writing different versions of his Silmarillion tales in various lengths and styles, though I can't remember which bits came first (wasn't Eärendil as the rising evening star one of the first things?).

I believe Eärendil was the very beginning. (After that I would have to start looking things up.)

I'm also more of an 'accretion' writer—I'll have particular images or moments that I want to incorporate into a longer story before I've plotted it out fully, but they always exist in the context of the larger idea.

I rarely plot in the formal sense, except that I almost always know something of where a story is going, sometimes because the accreting image is the hinge of it. I say I write by pearl-grit.

Date: Aug. 3rd, 2021 04:58 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] starshipfox
Great reviews -- thank you for sharing! I LOVED Precious Bane when I first read it -- a novel the centred disability as a theme, and one that centralised acceptance, meant the world to me. I think if I read it for the first time as an adult instead of a teenager, I would have similar criticisms, but I'm still very fond of it. I think it's actually Mary Webb's LEAST melodramatic novel, which is certainly saying something.

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