regshoe: A grey heron in flight over water (Heron)
[personal profile] regshoe
Farewell even to our Scottish name, so famed in martial story...

Another pivotal set of chapters. It's all coming together now...

Next week we'll read Part IV chapters 5 and 6.

Date: Dec. 4th, 2021 07:09 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
As you say, the iddiness ids so hard that it is difficult to be constructive, but you did excellently!

May I add, to your collection of lines, the one that absolutely sent me?

Keith took into his own the hand he had scarred.

I am always, always, always here for ardent hand-holding, but also the symbolism of it! Making amends after offering an injury; being allowed to make amends after offering an injury...! Ewen's scar on his hand, like his honour and soul are now scarred! I read that line, and much like you, questioned whether I could ever do anything so elegant in a fic. (Certainly none of the ardent handholding I've written to date has come up to that mark!)

And what you say here: Keith is still unable fully to understand his feelings, but he keeps acting on them like the person much better than he thinks he is that he is. So very much so, and I love him, too.

Date: Dec. 6th, 2021 05:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
Ohhhh yes, the hand-holding of the hand he himself scarred <3333

Date: Dec. 4th, 2021 09:20 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
I really loved that line about something more painful than pity - that's love, Keith, you oblivious ninny!

I confess I was reading it thinking, goodness, could I ever do anything this elegant in a fic—it's such beautiful and well-controlled writing.

Right?! It's such an object lesson in how to write intense emotion between two characters who aren't given to talking about their feelings. Which is quite a lot of favourite characters in fandom. I'm definitely bookmarking it to read again next time I write a big emotional scene.

Interesting too that he gives us another reminder of the gulf between the Jacobite and Hanoverian treatment of prisoners.

This was exactly my thought when I read that bit about Dr. Cameron. The description in the previous section of how they didn't just deny the prisoners medical help but actually took away the Jacobite surgeons' instruments really hit hard, and it creates such a contrast. Every single detail Broster provides is essential to the picture she's creating. It really is beautiful writing.

Date: Dec. 4th, 2021 11:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Others have covered these chapters so much better than I can, and have picked up on details that I've missed. But a highlight for me is the fact that they're holding hands in front of a witness for nearly a whole page.

I, too, love Mullins. He's so kind. I also love the very correct aide-de-camp. That's a wonderful bit of characterisation.

Date: Dec. 5th, 2021 09:42 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Mullins and the aide-de-camp were both fantastic! I was genuinely worried about Keith getting found in Ewen's room in case Mullins got in trouble - I just want him to get his pension! I love how much thought Broster puts into even the most minor characters.

Date: Dec. 5th, 2021 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
That opening Judas! just gives me chills, as does the image of Ewen covering his ears with his hands. It's such a childish gesture, and the context gives that a real poignancy: after all, Ewen is not a child, but a man pushed past the limits of his endurance, and this is the only way he has left to resist what seems like an unendurable reality.

But then it turns out the reality is not truly as dark as he thought, and in giving him back that night at the shieling Keith also gives Ewen back a lifeline of hope and faith in humanity.

Also KEITH. His continuing "BUT WHAT FEELING CAN BE DRIVING MY ACTIONS?" just sends me. OH KEITH.

Date: Dec. 4th, 2021 07:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stonepicnicking_okapi
I am caught up. I did like the There Was Only One Cell trope. I shall have to tuck that away for future fic use: to have character A go to visit character B in jail and have the guard lock and leave at a pivotal moment.

Date: Dec. 4th, 2021 07:06 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzula
Well, I don't know what I can add to [personal profile] regshoe's comments! I remember the first time I read this book, and the increasingly jawdropping way that it just went straight for the iddy slash. And these two chapters are a really great illustration of that, wow.

The description of Ewen and how far he has been broken down is really heartbreaking. We see the scene from Keith's POV, but from Ewen's...first the torture from Guthrie, then the tender mercies of Greening. And finally he has nothing left but to think about how he has betrayed Lochiel! So Keith finally winning through his distrust must really give Ewen back a lifeline of hope and trust again. ♥

Ha, and at the end Keith is at it AGAIN! Yet why, he asked himself, should he care what Ardroy was suffering, now that he had cleared his account with him? As soon as Ewen is no longer in his presence, he's trying to deny his feelings again.

This week's research reading does not actually have much to do with FotH, but is about the very interesting Anne Erroll, main organizer of the Scottish end of the failed Jacobite rebellion of 1708. Read if you like middle-aged competent women.

Date: Dec. 4th, 2021 08:59 pm (UTC)
killclaudio: Benedick is holding Beatrice back while she struggles with him, on an orange background with crossed swords. (Default)
From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Ha, and at the end Keith is at it AGAIN!

I am enjoying Keith's oblivious pining so much. At this point I think it actually makes more sense to consider his feelings romantic instead of platonic, because if it were only friendship he felt, I don't think he would have as much difficulty admitting it to himself. Especially after he'd only just told Ewen "I would as soon betray my own brother!" Oh, Keith.

If Broster were alive today she would be writing fanfiction for sure.

Date: Dec. 5th, 2021 06:06 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
At this point I think it actually makes more sense to consider his feelings romantic instead of platonic, because if it were only friendship he felt, I don't think he would have as much difficulty admitting it to himself.

This is a good point! Oh, Keith. ♥

Yeah, Broster would totally have been at home in fandom.

Date: Dec. 6th, 2021 05:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cahn
Okay, going to basically post what I posted rot-13'd last week when I just had to read these chapters...

So what I really wanted was for Ewen to believe that Keith hadn't betrayed him, and I didn't get that, but that was always completely unrealistic (I didn't really think that was going to happen, because it didn't make sense with their characters/interactions so far). But at least he believed Keith when he explained himself and didn't keep thinking that (and just so beautifully and tropily done), and Lochiel hasn't been taken either, so Ewen didn't betray him, whew! <3

Date: Dec. 6th, 2021 03:06 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Oh, and re: the song you linked! I hadn't heard that version, it has lovely harmonies. I've mostly listened to the Dick Gaughan and Band of Burns versions.

And it's fitting for Guthrie and some of the other Scots in the story...

Date: Dec. 7th, 2021 04:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hedgebird
What I really appreciate about these chapters is that they just freaking talk over the problem and reconcile! At, like, almost the earliest possible opportunity (barring some hilarious ear-covering). We've all gnashed our teeth at Big Misunderstanding plots that could be resolved if the characters listened to each other for five minutes, so thank you, D.K. Broster, for not going there!

Date: Dec. 7th, 2021 04:34 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Indeed! It's lovely to see.

However, you don't need to manufacture a misunderstanding for your conflict when there's a whole war -- or at least its aftermath -- holding them apart...

Date: Dec. 7th, 2021 04:40 pm (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
Something that [personal profile] tgarnsl mentioned to me, but which she hasn't popped in to say yet: evidence for Keith's faceblindness continues in this chapter: on entering the cell, he claims hardly to be able to recognize Ewen with his beard. But how extensive could that beard be? He saw Ewen only a week ago!

It is a very good thing Neil and Lachlan shaved Ewen at the schieling -- this novel would have ended very prematurely otherwise!

Date: Dec. 9th, 2021 02:18 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tgarnsl
These chapters absolutely wrung my heart. (Wring? They still do, no matter how many times I reread them.) From Ewen's anguished 'Judas' to the ardent handholding to the heightened emotion that never crosses the line into sentimental stodge... I love this bit. I like how very early on Broster mentions that Keith is a fundamentally passionate and impulsive, and here we get to see him in all his glory, being both passionate and impulsive, even if he doesn't understand on what is driving him to such extremes. For a military man who has likely been with the army since he was sixteen (when he would have been an ensign, I assume), and who has held a commission since the age of eighteen or nineteen, he seems very willing to throw that away for the sake of his honour and Ewen, even going so far as to insult a commanding officer and put himself in danger of court martial, the one thing that any self-respecting army officer should fear. And yet he still can't pin down just why he's doing this, and in fact tries to distance himself from whatever feelings he may have by thinking Ewen would've been better off dead on a mountainside. Oh Keith. What a numpty.

Poor Ewen. Between being left in the hands of Guthrie to being left in the hands of Greening, he's had an awful week, and I wonder how much of his broken-ness comes as much from his believed betrayal of Lochiel as much as his (perceived) betrayal by Keith. For one bright moment his faith in humanity that had been sorely tested these last few weeks had been restored, only for that fragile faith to be dashed to pieces by someone's lie. I find Ewen at the end of his tether to be quite fascinating: with his gentle spirit broken he will lash out at Keith but he is never cruel in the way that some might be in such a circumstance. He's snide and sharp, but he doesn't really attack Keith on a personal level, more on what he's done, which speaks greatly to his character. And Keith, doing all that he can to prove himself to Ewen! Their reunion, though brief, is so tender and sweet, and I love how quickly they move past their upset to focus on each other again. Ugh, these two.

Date: Dec. 9th, 2021 03:15 am (UTC)
sanguinity: woodcut by M.C. Escher, "Snakes" (Default)
From: [personal profile] sanguinity
And only now I remember what I wanted to say during this chapter. Note this juxtaposition of "Achilles" with Ewen's injury:

“I have so much to be forgiven myself,” answered Keith, looking down unhappily at the dirty, haggard wreck of his ‘young Achilles’, “that I can scarce resent what you, of all people, have thought of me. Oh, Ardroy, what a curst tangle it has been!—Are you well like that—your wounded leg . . . ?”


In the Iliad, Achilles' principal epithet is "swift-running" -- and indeed, very nearly the first physical description we are ever given of Ewen points out that he is very likely a swift runner.

And how is he wounded at Culloden? With a wound to his leg that may well lame him for life. I have so many feelings about the symbolism inherent in that.

Date: Dec. 10th, 2021 10:45 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Those meanings simply hadn't occurred to me. Wheels within wheels.

Also, there's the whole Achilles and Patroclus thing!

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