regshoe: Redwing, a brown bird with a red wing patch, perched in a tree (Redwing (Turdus iliacus))
[personal profile] regshoe
An interesting etymological ramble I've been meaning to post about for a while...

Some time ago I was thinking about the Middle English song 'Mirie it is while sumer ilast' (as you do), and I thought, hmm, 'with fugheles song'—surely 'fugheles' is the same word as 'fågel', the Swedish for 'bird'? So I looked it up and yes, it is; more obviously, they're also both the same as the modern English word 'fowl', which must have lost the G somewhere along the way.

'Fowl' used to mean what 'bird' and 'fågel' mean now, referring to the entire class of Aves, but it's rare these days, and most of its surviving uses are in specific contexts to do with domesticated birds and hunting (wildfowl, Guinea fowl, etc.). I'd never heard of any other distinction between 'bird' and 'fowl'; but The Country Housewife and Lady's Director by Richard Bradley, a housekeeping manual published in the mid-eighteenth century which I recently read for fic research, makes a very specific one: according to Bradley,
a Fowl always leads it's young Ones to the Meat, and a Bird carries the Meat to the Young: For this Reaſon, we find that Fowls always make their Neſts upon the Ground, while Birds, for the moſt part, build their Neſts aloft; ſo then our common Poultry are Fowls, the Pheaſant, Partridge, Peacock, Turkey, Buſtard, Quail, Lapwing, Duck, and ſuch like are all Fowls: But a Pigeon is a Bird, and a Stork, or Crane, and a Heron, are Birds, they built their Neſts aloft, and carry Meat to their young ones.
This is the distinction between what modern ornithology calls 'precocial' and 'altricial' birds. I don't know how widespread using 'bird' and 'fowl' like this ever was, but I've never come across it before and it's not in the Oxford English Dictionary.

The word 'bird', meanwhile, is rather mysterious. It appears in Old English as a word for young birds, and took a bit of a semantic detour through young animals in general and young humans before becoming a synonym of 'fowl' in Middle English and eventually supplanting it as the generally-used English word for Aves. But where it actually came from, we don't know; it's not part of the fughel/fowl/fågel group of words in Germanic languages, nor is it related to Latin (avis) or French (oiseau) or Welsh (aderyn) or anything else, apparently. I imagine some Anglo-Saxon peasant looking thoughtfully at a robin and going, 'you know what, Egbert? I'm not going to call that a fowl any more. I mean, it just looks more like a bird to me, you know?'

Date: Jan. 25th, 2022 08:01 pm (UTC)
edwardianspinsteraunt: "Edwardian Interior" by Howard Gilman (Default)
From: [personal profile] edwardianspinsteraunt
This is all so interesting! I love it when words just pop up in a language and there's no way of tracing where they came from (I think "dog" is another example of that). And the pathways of semantic change are always so idiosyncratic and weird! I wonder if "fugheles" was a direct borrowing from Norse or if they both descend from some proto Germanic/Indo-European root...

Date: Jan. 26th, 2022 06:28 pm (UTC)
edwardianspinsteraunt: "Edwardian Interior" by Howard Gilman (Default)
From: [personal profile] edwardianspinsteraunt
According to Wiktionary, the proto Germanic originally goes back to the Proto Indo-European root *plew(k) https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Indo-European/plewk Interestingly it's also the source of a lot of words for "rain" in various languages-- etymology is wild!

Date: Jan. 25th, 2022 08:06 pm (UTC)
liriaen: person in white kimono drawing katana (Default)
From: [personal profile] liriaen
In German, bird (singular) is Vogel, plural Vögel. (Fowl would be Geflügel, which comes from Flügel=wing…)
I adore the idea of ye jolly olde Egbert going, “heya you wing thing, I’mma call you BIRD!”

Date: Jan. 25th, 2022 09:19 pm (UTC)
isis: ravens from the cover of The Dream Thieves (raven cycle)
From: [personal profile] isis
Huh, I actually always assumed that 'fowl' was the term for 'birds you eat' and 'bird' was the term for 'birds you don't eat'. Today I learned!

Date: Jan. 25th, 2022 09:40 pm (UTC)
friendofthejabberwock: two screencaps: Data and Spock holding cats (Default)
From: [personal profile] friendofthejabberwock
Oh interesting! I don't think I knew that "bird" and "fowl" were ever different except in connotation (I've always thought of fowl as more "birds people sometimes hunt"). Etymology is always really neat. And kudos to Egbert's naming skills. :D

Date: Jan. 25th, 2022 09:48 pm (UTC)
osprey_archer: (Default)
From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
I love the image of this random peasant just deciding that bird fits those fluffy feathery flying things better than fowl, and proceeding to call them birds accordingly. And then it caught on! Why not! Bird is fun to say.

Date: Jan. 25th, 2022 10:17 pm (UTC)
philomytha: airplane flying over romantic castle (Default)
From: [personal profile] philomytha
Oh, that's fascinating! You have to wonder where Richard Bradley got his definitions of Fowl and Bird from.

Date: Jan. 26th, 2022 08:10 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] garonne

That was fascinating. I never made the connection between Vögel and fowl before. And like Isis I thought the distinction between fowl and birds was whether humans eat them or not!

Date: Jan. 26th, 2022 11:47 am (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Huh, interesting! Yes, it does seem obvious that fowl is related to fågel, but I had never considered where bird came from before.

Date: Jan. 27th, 2022 03:47 am (UTC)
scintilla10: close-up of the Greek statue Victoire de Samothrace (Default)
From: [personal profile] scintilla10
Hee! Love the idea of a trendy Anglo-Saxon peasant coming up with new slang for fowl that really took off. ;) This was an entertaining post!

Date: Jan. 27th, 2022 10:40 am (UTC)
lilliburlero: (piffle)
From: [personal profile] lilliburlero
The Bradley distinction has the feel of something that was stringently enforced in his household ("Darling, please don't wind Daddy up by calling ducks birds, you know how cross he gets, it ruins the whole day") that he was determined to see more widely adopted.

Date: Jan. 30th, 2022 02:28 pm (UTC)
luzula: a Luzula pilosa, or hairy wood-rush (Default)
From: [personal profile] luzula
Heee! I can absolutely see that.

Date: Jan. 27th, 2022 11:39 pm (UTC)
hyarrowen: T rex (T rex)
From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Wow, it's one of things that I never even thought of. They're just birds, y'know? I guess the name stuck because everyone who heard the word thought the same. "Yup, that's a bird all right."

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