Further thoughts on Kidnapped
Aug. 9th, 2022 05:37 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png)
Well, then! With RMSE over I no longer need to maintain anonymity about having re-read and been writing fic for Kidnapped, and so I can now post some more thoughts about it—which I am very glad to be able to do, as during my re-read and fic writing I fell into just a bit of gleeful fannish obsession over it and very much want to write long rambling DW posts. Here we go...
- This might not have been very clear before, but I really love Davie and Alan. The banter, the culture/political clashes, the deliberately annoying folk songs, the terribly serious gentlemanly honour, the deep and heartfelt care for each other underneath all the silliness, the derailing an argument through tactically provoking hurt/comfort instead... absolutely hilarious and adorable, all the time. I love them <333
- I will refrain from posting a wall of quotes, but I think my actual favourite moment is this:
- 'I can't possibly fight you!'—'Aha, but you're an eighteenth-century gentleman, and you insulted me which means you BASICALLY already agreed to a fight!'—'Oh no, you're right!' *draws sword* ...beautiful logic, I love it. And then Alan discards gentlemanly honour and declares he can't do it after all! Amazing. I love them both so much.
- And, thinking about Jacobite slash in general, Davie/Alan is a really fun contrast to Ewen/Keith—insofar as Ewen attracts Keith by totally upending his stereotypes of what Highlanders are like, whereas Alan is, really, just as outlandish and weird and kind of terrifying as David expects Highlanders to be and Davie falls completely in love with him anyway. Great fun.
- That twelve-inch height difference: is it really that much, or is Davie just seeing how much he can get away with in the aftermath of the quarrel when Alan is desperately avoiding anything like disagreeing with him? I can't decide which is funnier.
- OK, a slightly more serious point—the language. David makes clear in several places that he speaks Scots, not standard English (It was in this way that I first heard the right English speech ... I have never grown used to it; nor yet altogether with the English grammar ...) despite both the narrative and (mostly) his dialogue being written in English. Meanwhile Alan's dialogue uses more Scots words, but (I'm fairly sure that!) it's not really authentic Scots; and he's a native Gaelic-speaking Highland gentleman, a population who from what I've read tended to speak standard English (as Ewen does, and Keith remarks on, for instance). My speculation is that what David as narrator is doing is 'translating' his own speech into standard English for the benefit of English-speaking readers, while using Scots vocabulary to create the same sense of foreignness in Alan's dialogue that Alan as a Highlander has for him.
- How old is David? The book opens in June 1751, and he says he's seventeen; but when he's talking to Mr Rankeillor at the end he says he was born in March 1733, which—unless my maths is wrong—means he ought to have turned eighteen before the beginning of the book.
- I recently learnt that some versions of the folk song I know as 'Wild Mountain Thyme' are called 'The Braes o' Balquhidder', and feature references to that place in the lyrics. I'm sure this could be used in a slash fic somehow.
- Speaking of which, I love that both Davie and Alan are canonically into folk music. I can make as many ballad references as I like in fic and it'll be totally in character! :D
- This book has been adapted a lot! Do people who've seen any of the various adaptations have any thoughts on them, would you recommend any in particular?
“This is a pity,” he said at last. “There are things said that cannot be passed over.”
“I never asked you to,” said I. “I am as ready as yourself.”
“Ready?” said he.
“Ready,” I repeated. “I am no blower and boaster like some that I could name. Come on!” And drawing my sword, I fell on guard as Alan himself had taught me.
“David!” he cried. “Are ye daft? I cannae draw upon ye, David. It’s fair murder.”
“That was your look-out when you insulted me,” said I.
“It’s the truth!” cried Alan, and he stood for a moment, wringing his mouth in his hand like a man in sore perplexity. “It’s the bare truth,” he said, and drew his sword. But before I could touch his blade with mine, he had thrown it from him and fallen to the ground. “Na, na,” he kept saying, “na, na—I cannae, I cannae.”
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Date: Aug. 9th, 2022 05:54 pm (UTC)And then the bit immediately after, where Davy realizes the magnitude of what he's done, and the only way he can think of to walk it back is to PRETEND THAT HE'S DYING. (This was a VERY formative book for me, and that was my principal take-away: the best way to salvage a friendship is to PRETEND YOU'RE DYING.)
(Okay, yes, yes, he really was sick! But he ABSOLUTELY hammed it up for Alan!)
*collapses on my fainting couch while I take a moment*
12-inch height difference: I suspect they're playing it up in that moment, just for the pleasure of being friends again, but I'll bet you anything it's still something absurd. A good nine inches, at least, if not more.
I have seen no adaptations, although someone shared on tumblr a snippet of one from the 60s just a short while ago... (Here.) I'd like to see the one that has Paul McGann as a redcoat, because Paul McGann, but there's a part of me that's loathe to see ANY adaptation, because I have loved this book too long and too hard to risk someone else's casting getting stuck in my brain.
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 03:54 pm (UTC)that was my principal take-away: the best way to salvage a friendship is to PRETEND YOU'RE DYING.
XD
Well, it totally worked! Hurt/comfort is much preferable to silly reasons for a duel, and Alan agrees. :P
Good theory about the height difference—of course there absolutely is a substantial difference (it seems David is serious about it being impractical for him to lean on Alan while walking, in any case), that's very important, even if illustrators haven't quite got the message.
And I know what you mean about adaptations—I'm hesitating over whether to watch any—although that clip is fun!
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Date: Aug. 9th, 2022 06:06 pm (UTC)Every time I think of "Kidnapped", I think about how it was one of my earliest m/m ships, except that 10 year old me didn't know it was called shipping! XD
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 03:59 pm (UTC)it was one of my earliest m/m ships, except that 10 year old me didn't know it was called shipping! XD
Awww! 10 year old you had excellent taste :D
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Date: Aug. 9th, 2022 09:32 pm (UTC)I've never known quite why Alan speaks such braid Scots - Highlanders tending not to even now, especially if their first language is Gaelic - and I like your rationalisation for it.
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 03:54 am (UTC)I've got most of the adaptations, and enjoyed them, sorta; but some mess about with the ending of the book, though I can't speak as to history.
I like the sequel too, but only for Alan and Davy.
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 04:25 pm (UTC)I intend to remain blissfully ignorant of the sequel, which may be an issue with adaptations, but we'll see.
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 11:48 pm (UTC)The sequel, Catriona, is mostly humdrum, but there are some nice bits in it.
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 04:43 pm (UTC)Also, the intro tells me that David is 16 in 1751. Which may not be very reliable, this being a seriously abridged comic etc etc...
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Date: Aug. 10th, 2022 07:03 pm (UTC)And a third theory about David's age, huh. I suppose if Stevenson (or anyone else) got confused about moving the historical action from 1752 (when the Appin Murder really took place) to 1751, that could cause errors of a year, though you'd expect it to be in the opposite direction.
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Date: Aug. 11th, 2022 01:30 pm (UTC)From what I've seen of the adaptations (mostly cover art, posters, the occasional clip), they all seem to follow the same trend: Davie is a boy, so he is short; Alan is an adult, so he is tall. It's very disappointing. The statue of them in Edinburgh does the same thing, too, from the photos I've seen. (Some wikipedia editor out there is as exercised about this topic as I am, for the wikipedia page for the statue firmly points out that the statue got their heights wrong.)
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Date: Aug. 15th, 2022 08:32 pm (UTC)Like other commenters, I shipped these two as a child before I even knew what shipping was! :)
I reread Kidnapped last year on a sort of Jacobite binge (because of FotH, of course) and, like you, I was perturbed by the way that in the written text, David speaks standard English and Alan speaks a sort of Scots, even though general knowledge and the narration tell us that it should be otherwise. I like your theory about David/Robert Louis Stevenson "translating" both characters' speech to give the reader that same sense of familiarity/foreignness that David himself would have.
I also noticed that David uses the word "plaid" to refer to what is presumably a plain, non-tartan blanket. (He wraps himself in his plaid to sleep, etc.) Whereas in the context of FotH fic and the Highland Dress act, I always used "plaid" to refer specifically to something that was outlawed.
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Date: Aug. 16th, 2022 04:17 pm (UTC)It's occurred to me that Davie saying he 'first heard the right English speech' from the soldiers in Glencoe implies that Alan isn't speaking English, which is a flaw in my theory. But then perhaps Highland-accented English doesn't count as 'right'!
That's a good observation! I suppose 'plaide' is just the Gaelic for 'blanket', so it's not necessarily a tartan one? Looking through the uses of the word in the book, I notice that Alan specifies what Highlanders are now forbidden to wear as 'a tartan plaid', which seems to agree with that.
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Date: Aug. 21st, 2022 08:29 pm (UTC)I challenge you to write a FotH/Kidnapped crossover! Or I suppose that should be GitN. It would be a service to fandom. : D
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Date: Aug. 22nd, 2022 03:49 pm (UTC)I think one difficulty would be the timeline. RLS moves the Appin murder from 1752 to 1751 (for no apparent reason!); but does that mean that in the world of Kidnapped the capture and execution of Archibald Cameron takes place in '52 rather than '53, or is there a longer gap between those events? and what does that mean for the timelines of Kidnapped and Gleam in the North?
However, it's definitely a good idea—I shall think over possibilities...
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Date: Aug. 25th, 2022 08:48 am (UTC)Looking forward to seeing if you come up with anything! : D
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Date: Aug. 25th, 2022 04:31 pm (UTC)No, they don't! RLS changes the month too, from May '52 to July '51. I have now begun plotting out this potential fic, and the timeline is definitely being a headache, but I'm sure I'll manage something :D