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What is right and what is wrang, a short sword and a lang, a weak arm and a strang for to draw...

Welcome back to the read-along! This week's chapters are getting a bit more serious, historically and for our characters...

Next week we'll read the first two chapters of Part II.

Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 06:59 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sanguinity
I like your observation that Keith's bitterness about love not only distances him from personal relationships, but also leaves him unable to comprehend the sincere feeling motivating the Jacobites.

It's perhaps an interesting view for someone whose job is to take an active part in fighting against them! Is it? He strikes me very much as a professional soldier, aiming himself where he's pointed, and not having much feeling about any of it. It's a profession, no more and no less.

And yes, so many feelings! And so many possessives for Ewen: "my Warrior," too along with the rest.

his note mixes sincere liking, the honour of a soldier and a good deal of snark. I shook my head over that. Had to lob one last dart, did you, Keither? Just say you like the man, and stop pulling his pigtails.

I did feel bad for Ewen on finding his prisoner had fled, though. There's something almost domestic about their arrangement over the previous week (Keith offering his cloak to Ewen!), and I daresay Ewen had settled into the seeming of it, and momentarily forgot its truth. Poor Ewen! I suspect Keith is right, that the experience has taught Ewen not to make that oversight again, and I hope that in one of their subsequent meetings there will be more domesticity between them...

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Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 09:09 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Hi! Luzula recommended the book to me and told me about the read-along, I hope you don't mind me joining in. :)

The scene with Alison and Keith was lovely - possibly one of my favourites so far. We've mostly only seen both of them interact with Ewen, so it added a new dimension to their personalities, and it was really endearing that they're both trying so hard to meet the other half-way, even if it fails.

Keith's feelings about the Jacobites worked really well for me - it feels like the natural result of his kindness coupled with his 'ugh, look at these savages' attitude from the earlier chapters. Even though I don't know much about this period of history, I know how things shake out, so everything has a kind of...dramatic irony? And I like that both sides are a bit wrong in their ideas about what's going to happen, it makes everything feel more complicated and human.

Keith's pining was so good, wasn't it? It really does read like he's repressing his attraction, especially with the way every chapter includes at least one reference to how fine Ewen looks in his kilt, and so on. And 'conversational complexity' is a perfect way to describe it! There's been a bit about Keith's backstory, but I like actually seeing the consequences on the page, where he can't help but say something heartfelt, but then he kind of shies away from the intimacy of it?

Thank you for that really helpful video! I was struggling a bit to visualise that part, about as much as Keith was struggling to actually put it on. :D That explains all the stuff about sitting on and sleeping on his plaid, although I'm still very sceptical of Ewen's claim that wet plaid is warmer.

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Date: Oct. 18th, 2021 05:57 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tei
Ooh, thank you for the video! I can definitely see how it might not have been obvious to Keith how to put it on 😂 also… it has pockets!

Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 09:04 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzula
I like the scene between Keith and Alison a lot--both of them trying to make each other out, and feeling their way forward.

And I am delighted by all Keith's pigtail pulling, which he can't seem to stop himself from doing. He veers back and forth between that and sincerity in such a confused fashion! Oh, Keith. And then there's that bit about the rain, used as a device to tell the reader all about the backstory that made him into the person he is...

I remember the first time I read these chapters I found the religious stuff pretty dense, so good for [personal profile] regshoe writing that up!

I thought I'd share some stuff about names which I already wrote up for [personal profile] cahn elsewhere: In Scotland, the "of Placename" naming system was used for gentry (even if you just owned a small farm), not just for the peerage. And you were generally adressed as Placename. For example, if your name is Ewen Cameron, then there are probably hundreds more with the same name, so using either first or last name doesn't help much. But if you are also laird of Ardroy, then it makes sense to adress you by that as your name. If someone doesn't have that sort of name (such as Archibald Cameron, for instance) you can tell that he's not a landowner and thus probably a younger son. Ewen of course also has a hereditary Gaelic chieftain title "Mac 'ic Ailein" = "son of Allan", and a Gaelic form of his name, Eoghan, and also a Gaelic nickname to distinguish himself from other Eoghans, "Eoghan Mor", or "Tall Ewen". Actually you will not see Ewen adressed as "Eoghan Mor", but "Eoghain Mhoir", which is in the vocative.

Oh, and also I wanted to rec some short fics which take place early in canon, and which you can read now, if you want!

Calltainneach. I think this is [personal profile] hyarrowen trying to see how slashy you can get from Ewen's POV this early in the book?

What Makes Heroic Strife, where [personal profile] regshoe uses a line from the song linked above as title. Keith is lying awake in the hut at Kinlochiel, and Ewen's sleep is troubled...

The Tools at Hand by me. This is a glimpse of Ewen from Lochiel's POV.

Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 09:21 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] killclaudio
Oh, so that's what 'Mac 'ic Ailein' means! From context I thought it might indicate the head of the family, but googling didn't get me anywhere. Thank you. :)

That makes sense about the naming conventions. I thought calling him 'Ardroy' sounded overly formal, but if it was normal even for the gentry then it feels a bit more natural. I can well believe there are dozens more Ewen Camerons, especially since every third character so far has been a Cameron. And first names tend to be passed around within families, so I bet Lochiel has several more relatives called 'Ewen', lol.

Ooh, recs! *bookmarks*

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Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 11:39 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Calltainneach. I think this is hyarrowen trying to see how slashy you can get from Ewen's POV this early in the book?

Most definitely! :D

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Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 12:53 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
Keith is so confused about his feelings, bless him, right down to being confused about whether or not he has them. He is Captain Keith Windham, who cares for no one! So what is this sensation that he has that he might be sorry not to see his Achilles again? Bizarre. (I also love all the different ways he comes up with to refer to Ewen: my Achilles, my Warrior, E.C...)

Thank you for this explanation of the names! So many different characters with similar names... and so many characters who have multiple names.

Also thank you for the fic recs!

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Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 08:05 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philomytha
Ooh, thank you for explaining about the names! And the vocative! I recced FotH to a Gaelic-speaking friend and they told me how impressed they were with the way Broster uses Gaelic and has her native Gaelic speakers using Gaelic grammar instead of English even when they're speaking English.

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Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 09:14 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owl
You might find some "Big Michael"s and "Ginger Sean"s in Ireland to this day...

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Date: Oct. 24th, 2021 05:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] impala_chick
Thanks for clearing up my confusion about the names! Keith has so many names and nicknames for Ewen - eventually I'll figure out how he chooses which to pick. I feel like he goes back and forth from recognizing Ewen's authority by using titles, and also showing his growing affection by using nicknames.

yay fic reccs!

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Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 10:33 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Keith seems unable to resist the snark, even while he's beginning to fit into the household at Ardroy. It's so nice to see him doing his best with Alison, and then with Ewen himself even though he knows it won't be any use at all.

I love the line about the orange seaweed along Loch Eil. DKB saw that in person, there's no doubt in my mind.

The scene in the hut is one of my favourites. It fits so much backstory in, and the device of the journal keeps us up to date with the campaign. And Ewen just going to sleep with Keith in the hut, with his broadsword close at hand, is lovely - he has total confidence in Keith not to do anything dastardly.

The 1969 TV adaptation makes a pretty good contrast between Keith's wearing of the plaid - he looks a real mess - and Lachlan doing it properly, all neat pleats and elegantly-draped fabric. Very funny. I don't think the series is up on Youtube any more, and I have no idea how to get it there. But that scene is gold.

Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 12:54 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] osprey_archer
There's a TV adaptation?? Which used to be on Youtube??? WHY must these things disappear like this, truly the gods of Youtube want us to suffer.

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Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 09:19 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owl
The 16th image in this gallery looks a lot like what Keith would have seen http://www.lochaberfish.org.uk/lochaber-fisheries-trust-photo-gallery.asp

Date: Oct. 16th, 2021 11:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hyarrowen
Thinking about the dates here - this was not long before the switch from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar. I can't get my head round whether this means that 22 August would be 11 days earlier in the solar year than at present, or 11 days later. It's like trying to work out time zones. It might explain some of the weather, though. The rest would be explained by a) Little Ice Age and b) Highlands.

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Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 07:24 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] owl
As someone who lives on the other side of the Straits of Moyle, the weather in chapter 6 is abundantly explained by "Highlands". It sounds pretty much like the weather we had in late August 2021.

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Date: Oct. 17th, 2021 08:12 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] philomytha
The discussion in the hut is such a great scene, the way Keith thinks Ewen is getting at him about High Bridge and Ewen's horror when he realises he's actually made Keith feel bad, it's such a great demonstration of Ewen's highly sensitive chivalry.

I can't remember where I read this now, but apparently wool has an exothermic reactions with water, so wringing the plaid out in water would actually make it warmer to sleep in - a wonderful little detail that Broster gets right there.

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Date: Oct. 18th, 2021 05:52 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] tei
Well, the epithets certainly are getting colourful. “His civilized young barbarian”? “My warrior”? “My own young Achilles”? (One wonders whom Keith is imagining himself to be in this metaphor?)

Keith finally gets a change of clothes for his escape! He’s been wearing the same uniform for— around a week now? Also the wig, he’s been wearing a WIG the whole time he’s been held captive?! I’m assuming regular laundry wasn’t a feature of daily life even when not a prisoner, but… did they have changes of underclothes, at least? The contents of Ewen’s luggage seem to indicate yes. But maybe I don’t want to know.

…I like how much meaner they are too each other in these chapters. They should continue being mean, in my humble opinion.

Some very successful acting on Ewan’s part at the end, there. He very conveniently forgot that Keith’s parole was expiring, and just happened to leave him alone in a room with everything he would need to escape undetected… how very unfortunate!

Date: Oct. 18th, 2021 06:30 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] luzula
did they have changes of underclothes, at least?

They are not wearing any underwear. : D I mean, obviously Ewen has nothing on underneath his kilt, but Keith doesn't have underwear in the modern sense, either.

That is, they have quite long and billowy shirts which they tuck round the groin under the breeches, and that function sort of as underwear. This video shows an 18th century gentleman getting dressed, and Keith's uniform is on the same basic pattern.

And women are also not wearing any underwear. I tried to do research on what they did when they got their period, and the answer is apparently mostly "bleed on their shifts"? They had lots of skirt layers. But I suppose most of the population was kind of underfed and thus bled less?

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Date: Oct. 20th, 2021 04:24 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] impala_chick
These have been my favorite chapters so far! There was only one hut... also, Keith being super sad about not getting to see Ewen in the future. Glorious tropes.

I'm a little confused about Keith calling Ewen "Ardroy." Is that the name of the clan? Also the whole Achilles part.

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Date: Oct. 22nd, 2021 01:00 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] stonepicnicking_okapi
I caught myself up last night. It is a nice story. I think I am a bit jaded, however, by the 'war is hell' trope. I have to remind myself if they'd chopped Keith's head off in Chapter 1, there wouldn't be much more of a tale. Everyone seems unbelievably polite and noble. And Keith's ankle seems to heal very fast. I have a feeling Alison isn't going to get her happy ending. And of course there's a blind soothsayer! And were there two herons (the one the angry, devoted lackey sank in the lake and the one that spooked the horse?) or are they one and the same? Nice info on the kilt business. Most of all I appreciate learning more about a story that I know is important to you.

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